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Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
brass
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:34 PM)
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:22 PM)
I don't buy it. Think of the legal liability in the event that thousands of innocent people were suddenly "shot" by their caches of stored ammo.
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NOT, if it is a false flag event that is to be blamed on another country to get the ball rolling. Read N Korea!

Again this was planned and I cannot verify implementation.

Oh, right. Yeah, 'cause if North Korea wanted to kill everyone, they'd rely on a theory about random bullets going off in the event of an EMP.
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Post: #17
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:41 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:34 PM)
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:22 PM)
I don't buy it. Think of the legal liability in the event that thousands of innocent people were suddenly "shot" by their caches of stored ammo.
link to image: http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/pp19/...harlie.jpg

NOT, if it is a false flag event that is to be blamed on another country to get the ball rolling. Read N Korea!

Again this was planned and I cannot verify implementation.

Oh, right. Yeah, 'cause if North Korea wanted to kill everyone, they'd rely on a theory about random bullets going off in the event of an EMP.
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chuckle

And dont forget that north korea supplies most of the ammo manufacturers with primers.
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Post: #18
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:44 PM)
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:41 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:34 PM)
NOT, if it is a false flag event that is to be blamed on another country to get the ball rolling. Read N Korea!

Again this was planned and I cannot verify implementation.

Oh, right. Yeah, 'cause if North Korea wanted to kill everyone, they'd rely on a theory about random bullets going off in the event of an EMP.
link to image: http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n270/...cePalm.jpg

chuckle

And dont forget that north korea supplies most of the ammo manufacturers with primers.

haha...yeah, they've been sneaking them past the embargo for years now!

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Post: #19
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:30 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:26 PM)
And you know this how?

Common knowledge. Its not really a secret.
I reload all of my own ammo, have done so for years. 5.56/.223, .45, .40, .38/.357, 9mm, .308, and so on. Pistol and rifle. 22lr is the only cartridge I do not reload because it is not something you can reload.


Obviously you don't reload 22. But HOW do you know that they haven't changed the primer formula for both 22 and centerfires? How do you know the reason they aren't making 22 is that the floor workers have been pulled indefinitely off 22 production to work in centerfire production?
I don't think you do. I don't think you know anything about this at all.

My point exactly, even reloading primers went awol for a while. You wont know till later.
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Post: #20
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How does this explain the 3-4 month backlog on bullets?
Montana Gold is not taking any new orders
Bayou bullets is only taking small orders from existing customers only, and those orders are 12-16 weeks out
Precision Delta is 18 weeks behind on orders
Berrys is not taking any new orders
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Post: #21
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I have heard about life limits on primers.. (6 Months).. But have yet to see any proof.. If anyone has links I would appreciate confirmation...

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:51 PM)
How does this explain the 3-4 month backlog on bullets?
Montana Gold is not taking any new orders
Bayou bullets is only taking small orders from existing customers only, and those orders are 12-16 weeks out
Precision Delta is 18 weeks behind on orders
Berrys is not taking any new orders

Montana Gold.. Ordered from them many times.. In my own stomping grounds Kalispell...

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Post: #23
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
there is some truth to this.

I was told that they are currently working on new regulation to have time expired powders and primers. these would have a shelf life and prevent hoarding, so I believe that part.

but your argument is problematic to .22lr
they are not made the same way as centerfire. the primers are in the case rim and start off as a liquid. this would however in theory be easier to have a shelf life. i will stay on the side of caution and hold onto my older ammo.

thanks for the info and


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SexualChocolate  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:56 PM)
there is some truth to this.

I was told that they are currently working on new regulation to have time expired powders and primers. these would have a shelf life and prevent hoarding, so I believe that part.

but your argument is problematic to .22lr
they are not made the same way as centerfire. the primers are in the case rim and start off as a liquid. this would however in theory be easier to have a shelf life. i will stay on the side of caution and hold onto my older ammo.

thanks for the info and


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Since the same manufacturers are producing ammunition for both government and civilian customers concurrently, I seriously doubt that the govt. would risk using the less-reliable primers, and that manufacturers would embrace having to manufacturer two different types of ammunition depending on the buyer. What about foreign manufacturers? Until we see some proof--not just secret words from Uncles--I remain doubtful.

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Post: #25
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 08:10 PM)
SexualChocolate  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:56 PM)
there is some truth to this.

I was told that they are currently working on new regulation to have time expired powders and primers. these would have a shelf life and prevent hoarding, so I believe that part.

but your argument is problematic to .22lr
they are not made the same way as centerfire. the primers are in the case rim and start off as a liquid. this would however in theory be easier to have a shelf life. i will stay on the side of caution and hold onto my older ammo.

thanks for the info and


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Since the same manufacturers are producing ammunition for both government and civilian customers concurrently, I seriously doubt that the govt. would risk using the less-reliable primers, and that manufacturers would embrace having to manufacturer two different types of ammunition depending on the buyer. What about foreign manufacturers? Until we see some proof--not just secret words from Uncles--I remain doubtful.

i do not claim this to be true. I just heard it that's all. It was from a gun store owner actually. He said this and that the current DHS order would not be complete until October if they stay on schedule.
so the shortage is going to run through the summer. guess we will see.

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Post: #26
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:30 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:26 PM)
And you know this how?

Common knowledge. Its not really a secret.
I reload all of my own ammo, have done so for years. 5.56/.223, .45, .40, .38/.357, 9mm, .308, and so on. Pistol and rifle. 22lr is the only cartridge I do not reload because it is not something you can reload.


Obviously you don't reload 22. But HOW do you know that they haven't changed the primer formula for both 22 and centerfires? How do you know the reason they aren't making 22 is that the floor workers have been pulled indefinitely off 22 production to work in centerfire production?
I don't think you do. I don't think you know anything about this at all.

How do you know 'they' have?
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Post: #27
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SexualChocolate  Wrote: (03-21-2013 08:15 PM)
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 08:10 PM)
SexualChocolate  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:56 PM)
there is some truth to this.

I was told that they are currently working on new regulation to have time expired powders and primers. these would have a shelf life and prevent hoarding, so I believe that part.

but your argument is problematic to .22lr
they are not made the same way as centerfire. the primers are in the case rim and start off as a liquid. this would however in theory be easier to have a shelf life. i will stay on the side of caution and hold onto my older ammo.

thanks for the info and


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Since the same manufacturers are producing ammunition for both government and civilian customers concurrently, I seriously doubt that the govt. would risk using the less-reliable primers, and that manufacturers would embrace having to manufacturer two different types of ammunition depending on the buyer. What about foreign manufacturers? Until we see some proof--not just secret words from Uncles--I remain doubtful.

i do not claim this to be true. I just heard it that's all. It was from a gun store owner actually. He said this and that the current DHS order would not be complete until October if they stay on schedule.
so the shortage is going to run through the summer. guess we will see.

Yeah, I wasn't accusing you of spreading dis-info, I was only trying to point out a counter to an argument which I have heard as well. As far as the rim fire ammo goes, what I've heard is that most ammunition factories have dedicated their assembly lines to produce center fire cartridges exclusively until orders are caught up, since center fire is a more time-consuming, labor-intensive process than simply turning on the rim fire loading machines....

Until more insiders (employees, family, small business owners) come forward, we're left speculating.

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How did the government get these companies to change the way they make ammunition? Some of them are not even american companies but sell ammo in america. How could they get everyone of them to switch?

•Aguila Ammo
•Armscor Ammo
•ATK Ammo
•Barnes Ammo
•BlackGun Ammo (BGA)
•Blazer Ammo
•Blazer Brass Ammo
•Brown Bear Ammo
•CCI Ammo
•Centurion Ammo
•Federal Ammo
•Fiocchi Ammo
•Golden Bear Ammo
•Golden Tiger Ammo
•Hornady Ammo
•Lake City Ammo
•Magtech Ammo
•Military Ballistic Industries (MBI) Ammo
•PCI Ammo
•PMC Ammo
•Prvi Partizan Ammo
•Remington Ammo
•Rio Royal Ammo
•Sellier & Bellot Ammo
•Speer Ammo
•Tula Ammo
•Ultramax Ammo
•Ulyanovsk Ammo
•Winchester Ammo
•Wolf Ammo
•Zero Bullet Ammo
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Post: #29
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arl95  Wrote: (03-21-2013 08:25 PM)
How did the government get these companies to change the way they make ammunition? Some of them are not even american companies but sell ammo in america. How could they get everyone of them to switch?

•Aguila Ammo
•Armscor Ammo
•ATK Ammo
•Barnes Ammo
•BlackGun Ammo (BGA)
•Blazer Ammo
•Blazer Brass Ammo
•Brown Bear Ammo
•CCI Ammo
•Centurion Ammo
•Federal Ammo
•Fiocchi Ammo
•Golden Bear Ammo
•Golden Tiger Ammo
•Hornady Ammo
•Lake City Ammo
•Magtech Ammo
•Military Ballistic Industries (MBI) Ammo
•PCI Ammo
•PMC Ammo
•Prvi Partizan Ammo
•Remington Ammo
•Rio Royal Ammo
•Sellier & Bellot Ammo
•Speer Ammo
•Tula Ammo
•Ultramax Ammo
•Ulyanovsk Ammo
•Winchester Ammo
•Wolf Ammo
•Zero Bullet Ammo

Precisely.
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Post: #30
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 08:10 PM)
SexualChocolate  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:56 PM)
there is some truth to this.

I was told that they are currently working on new regulation to have time expired powders and primers. these would have a shelf life and prevent hoarding, so I believe that part.

but your argument is problematic to .22lr
they are not made the same way as centerfire. the primers are in the case rim and start off as a liquid. this would however in theory be easier to have a shelf life. i will stay on the side of caution and hold onto my older ammo.

thanks for the info and


Bump

Since the same manufacturers are producing ammunition for both government and civilian customers concurrently, I seriously doubt that the govt. would risk using the less-reliable primers, and that manufacturers would embrace having to manufacturer two different types of ammunition depending on the buyer. What about foreign manufacturers? Until we see some proof--not just secret words from Uncles--I remain doubtful.

Hence the shortages in getting the supplies back up for consumers. Little being manufactured for the consumer with a new recipe.

Go price ammo today, the scam known as cheaper than dirt has bricks of armscore 22lr on sale now for 149$ per 500. Ables has 325 round boxes for 119$. 9mm is $50 a box as is 40 sw with barely any any under $1 a round. 380 in the same boat.
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