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Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Charlie the Tuna
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03-09-2010 09:40 PM

 



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Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Saw the classy art post by one the pig guys over at PWR years back.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/co...n_1836.jpg

Now a classy book based on them painting and us today.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-ris...2010-03-09

March 9, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EST · Recommend (13) · Post:

Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Commentary: Historians warning of a sudden 'thief at night,' an 'accelerating car crash'

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) -- "One of the disturbing facts of history is that so many civilizations collapse," warns anthropologist Jared Diamond in "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed." Many "civilizations share a sharp curve of decline. Indeed, a society's demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power."

Now, Harvard's Niall Ferguson, one of the world's leading financial historians, echoes Diamond's warning: "Imperial collapse may come much more suddenly than many historians imagine. A combination of fiscal deficits and military overstretch suggests that the United States may be the next empire on the precipice." Yes, America is on the edge.

Dismiss his warning at your peril. Everything you learned, everything you believe and everything driving our political leaders is based on a misleading, outdated theory of history. The American Empire is at the edge of a dangerous precipice, at risk of a sudden, rapid collapse.

Ferguson is brilliant, prolific and contrarian. His works include the recent "Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World;" "The Cash Nexus: Money and Power in the Modern World;" "Colossus: The Rise and Fall of The American Empire;" and "The War of the World," a survey of the "savagery of the 20th century" where he highlights a profound "paradox that, though the 20th century was 'so bloody,' it was also 'a time of unparalleled progress.'"

Why? Throughout history imperial leaders inevitably emerge and drive their nations into wars for greater glory and "economic progress," while inevitably leading their nation into collapse. And that happens suddenly and swiftly, within "a decade or two."

You'll find Ferguson's latest work, "Collapse and Complexity: Empires on the Edge of Chaos," in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council of Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan think tank. His message negates all the happy talk you're hearing in today's news -- about economic recovery and new bull markets, about "hope," about a return to "American greatness" -- from Washington politicians and Wall Street bankers.

'Collapse of All Empires:' 5 stages repeating through the ages
Ferguson opens with a fascinating metaphor: "There is no better illustration of the life cycle of a great power than 'The Course of Empire,' a series of five paintings by Thomas Cole that hangs in the New York Historical Society. Cole was a founder of the Hudson River School and one of the pioneers of nineteenth-century American landscape painting; in 'The Course of Empire,' he beautifully captured a theory of imperial rise and fall to which most people remain in thrall to this day. Each of the five imagined scenes depicts the mouth of a great river beneath a rocky outcrop."

If you're unable to see them at the historical society, they're all reproduced in Foreign Affairs, underscoring Ferguson's warnings that the "American Empire on the precipice," near collapse.

First. 'The Savage State,' before the Empire rises
"In the first, 'The Savage State,' a lush wilderness is populated by a handful of hunter-gatherers eking out a primitive existence at the break of a stormy dawn." Imagine our history from Columbus' discovery of America in 1492 on through four more centuries as we savagely expanded across the continent.

Second. 'The Arcadian or Pastoral State,' as the American Empire flourishes
"The second picture, 'The Arcadian or Pastoral State,' is of an agrarian idyll: the inhabitants have cleared the trees, planted fields, and built an elegant Greek temple." The temple may seem out of place. However, Cole's paintings were done in 1833-1836, not long after Thomas Jefferson built the University of Virginia using classical Greek and Roman revival architecture.

As Ferguson continues the tour you sense you're actually inside the New York Historical Society, visually reminded of how history's great cycles do indeed repeat over and over. You are also reminded of one of history's great tragic ironies -- that all nations fail to learn the lessons of history, that all nations and their leaders fall prey to their own narcissistic hubris and that all eventually collapse from within.

Third. Consummation of the American Empire
"The third and largest of the paintings is 'The Consummation of Empire.' Now, the landscape is covered by a magnificent marble entrepôt, and the contented farmer-philosophers of the previous tableau have been replaced by a throng of opulently clad merchants, proconsuls and citizen-consumers. It is midday in the life cycle."

'The Consummation of Empire' focuses us on Ferguson's core message: At the very peak of their power, affluence and glory, leaders arise, run amok with imperial visions and sabotage themselves, their people and their nation. They have it all.

But more-is-not enough as greed, arrogance and a thirst for power consume them. Back in the early days of the Iraq war, Kevin Phillips, political historian and former Nixon strategist, also captured this inevitable tendency in Wealth and Democracy:

"Most great nations, at the peak of their economic power, become arrogant and wage great world wars at great cost, wasting vast resources, taking on huge debt, and ultimately burning themselves out." We sense the "consummation" of the American Empire occurred with the leadership handoff from Bill Clinton to George W. Bush.

Unfortunately that peak is behind us: Clinton, Bush, Henry Paulson, Ben Bernanke, Sarah Palin, Barack Obama, Mitt Romney and all future American leaders are merely playing their parts in the greatest of all historical dramas, repeating but never fully grasping the lessons of history in their insatiable drive for "economic progress," to recapture former glory ... while unwittingly pushing our empire to the edge, into collapse.

Four. Destruction of the Empire
Then comes 'The Destruction of Empire,' the fourth stage in Ferguson's grand drama about the life-cycle of all empires. In "Destruction" "the city is ablaze, its citizens fleeing an invading horde that rapes and pillages beneath a brooding evening sky." Elsewhere in "The War of the World," Ferguson described the 20th century as "the bloodiest in history, one hundred years of butchery." Today's high-tech relentless news cycle, suggests that our 21st century world is a far bloodier return to savagery.

At this point, investors are asking themselves: How can I prepare for the destruction and collapse of the American Empire? There is no solution in the Cole-Ferguson scenario, only an acceptance of fate, of destiny, of history's inevitable cycles.

But there is one in "Wealth, War and Wisdom" by hedge fund manager Barton Biggs, Morgan Stanley's former chief global strategist who warns us of the "possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure," advising us to buy a farm in the mountains.

"Your safe haven must be self-sufficient and capable of growing some kind of food ... well-stocked with seed, fertilizer, canned food, wine, medicine, clothes, etc. Think Swiss Family Robinson." And when they come looting, fire "a few rounds over the approaching brigands' heads."

Five. Desolation ... after the Empire disappears
"Finally, the moon rises over the fifth painting, 'Desolation,'" says Ferguson. There is not a living soul to be seen, only a few decaying columns and colonnades overgrown by briars and ivy." No attacking "brigands?" No loveable waste-collecting robots from Wall-E?

The good news is the Earth will naturally regenerate itself without savage humans, as we saw in Alan Weisman's brilliant "The World Without Us:" Steel buildings decay. Microbes eat indestructible plastics. Eons pass. And Earth reemerges in all its glory, a Garden of Eden.

Epilogue: 'All Empires ... are condemned to decline and fall'
In a Los Angeles Times column, Ferguson asks: "America, a Fragile Empire: Here today, gone tomorrow, could the United States fall that fast?" And his answer is clear and emphatic: "For centuries, historians, political theorists, anthropologists and the public have tended to think about the political process in seasonal, cyclical terms ... we discern a rhythm to history. Great powers, like great men, are born, rise, reign and then gradually wane. No matter whether civilizations decline culturally, economically or ecologically, their downfalls are protracted."

We are deceiving ourselves, convinced "the challenges that face the United States are often represented as slow-burning ... threats seem very remote."

"But what if history is not cyclical and slow-moving but arrhythmic?" asks Ferguson. What if history is "at times almost stationary but also capable of accelerating suddenly, like a sports car? What if collapse does not arrive over a number of centuries but comes suddenly, like a thief in the night?" What if the collapse of the American Empire is dead ahead, in the next decade? What if, as with the 2000 dot-com crash, we're in denial, refusing to prepare?

Ferguson's final message about America's destiny comes from Foreign Affairs: "Conceived in the mid-1830s, Cole's great five-part painting has a clear message: all empires, no matter how magnificent, are condemned to decline and fall." Throughout history, empires function "in apparent equilibrium for some unknowable period. And then, quite abruptly ... collapse," a blunt reminder of the sudden, swift, silent, certain timetable in Diamond's "Collapse" where a "society's demise may begin only a decade or two after it reaches its peak population, wealth and power."

You are forewarned: If the peak of America's glory was the leadership handoff from Clinton to Bush, then we have already triggered the countdown to collapse, the decade from 2010 until 2020 ... tick ... tick ... tick ...
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RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Buy a farm in the mountains...not a bad idea.

Getting far away from a population center is another good idea. Big cities will self-destruct. Small communities will pull together.
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RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
I've always said name one empire that has withstood the test of time. In comparison to most of the world's extinct empires, America is just a baby.

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The collapse of the American economy has been inevitable since 1913. It is a methematical certainty. If you are charged interest on your own money, where will you ever get the money to pay that interest? Especially when that interest becomes larger than the economy itself.

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Bloggermouth  Wrote:
I've always said name one empire that has withstood the test of time. In comparison to most of the world's extinct empires, America is just a baby.

Yup, an infant.....

its been a helluva ride 'fraid to say it's coming to an end......

Unless we lash out in our death throes and do something crazy like I dunno....

Start a world war or somthin'....


And pimp it one more time....

Damned

Man will never be free until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last banker - Diderot
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Jesus loves you
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RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Brushfires  Wrote:
Charlie the Tuna  Wrote:
You'll find Ferguson's latest work, "Collapse and Complexity: Empires on the Edge of Chaos," in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council of Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan think tank.

A non partisan think tank that thinks that a one world government is the only solution.

True enough however I used to have a subscription to Foreign Affairs--better to know thine enemy......

I do happen to be on the side of societal collapse, whether it comes early or late, quick or slow, its gonna happen.......

End

Man will never be free until the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last banker - Diderot
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The prime objective of media during the collapse of the American empire will be to dissuade people from the view that the empire is collapsing.
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Jesus loves you
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Anonymous Coward
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03-09-2010 11:41 PM

 



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RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Brushfires  Wrote:
Charlie the Tuna  Wrote:
You'll find Ferguson's latest work, "Collapse and Complexity: Empires on the Edge of Chaos," in Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council of Foreign Relations, a nonpartisan think tank.

A non partisan think tank that thinks that a one world government is the only solution.

Just as prophesied in the book of Revelation.




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Post: #5RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain

Quoting: Bloggermouth
I've always said name one empire that has withstood the test of time. In comparison to most of the world's extinct empires, America is just a baby.

Yup, an infant.....

its been a helluva ride 'fraid to say it's coming to an end......

Unless we lash out in our death throes and do something crazy like I dunno....

Start a world war or somthin'....

And pimp it one more time....


A world war today would certainly go nuclear. No one wins a nuclear war.
There will be nothing left that isn't radiated.
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The Omnipotent AC and Non AC
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All for one and one for all. Therefore, I am all in all.
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RE:Collapse of the American Empire: swift, silent, certain
Most empires usually have a good run; what's interesting is the speed (just in time for 2012 too) at which this one is being brought down; kinda like TPTB definitely didn't want this experiment to work or even get a firm foothold.
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NormalIsSubjective  Wrote:
Most empires usually have a good run; what's interesting is the speed (just in time for 2012 too) at which this one is being brought down; kinda like TPTB definitely didn't want this experiment to work or even get a firm foothold.

OR......


Not going to argue the timeline, the calendar and all of that...but I have to to say that the internet has enabled people to communicate much better than before....We tinfoilers I mean....

I am witnessing the traditional networks losing revenue, and they are do so because people are tired of their GD lying to us, spewing the gov't lines daily, etc..

The smart people have had enough, they are searching for the truth....that's why we all all here...heh..well, most of us..

Jack Nicholson was wrong...I CAN handle the truth, but I'm tired of the LIES...

As a nation, that's all we're fed...lies about 9/11, lies about unemployment, lies about this, lies about that....

I'm no longer a nutjob, I was just aware before the masses were..


No, you can't have any of my stash.....it would be wise for anyone with that mindset to reconsider... chuckle

The people really are governed by their consent, and my consent is wearing thin.

--Me
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Andromeda
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Wow nice pictures. There's some nice play between light and smoky sky, in the "Destruction" painting. You can see the rays of light of the daylight shooting through the smoke-filled skies, without the rays being painted explicitly.

The fact that Marketwatch is posting this kind of article is very, very scary, though!

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Tuesday, March 9, 2010
Next Crisis: Everything Could Be Leveled Within 12 Hours
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The scariest thing is that we have still done nothing to address the propensity for institutional panic to come back, which courtesy of money now being electronic 1's and 0's, will certainly take an even faster time to hit its plateau when it appears next. Keep in mind that post the Lehman crisis, it only took 3 days before the money markets locked up and were in need of governmental guarantees, while the broader repo market was shut down within 48 hours. As retail investors tend to enjoy obtaining physical delivery of their asset (read FRNs), for institutions, the wave can turn at a heartbeat, and next time around the administration will likely not even have 12 hours before a complete financial, systemic, and irrevocable lock-down is in place. The only backstop to this risk- the Federal Reserve. Yet the question remains: how long before nobody in the world dares to take the Fed head on. It is no secret that the entire investment community now realizes that the Fed's experiment is doomed. The US is no longer a viable going concern: when the CBO notifies the public that the debt/GDP in a decade will be 90% and that total marketable debt will double to $20 trillion, the game is over. And just like in any good old game theory construct, the first defector is the one to benefit the most. The Fed can not, be definition "defect"; so when one of the whale account does, and the avalanche of enjoinders jumps on board, the proverbial "you don't get in front of the Fed" will be a memory. What we know is that we now have a t-10 years timer before the US economy is certainly finished. But the real question is when the defections against Bernanke et al will begin in earnest.

Back to the repo system: As Gorton points out - "Times change. Now, banking has changed again. In the last 25 years or so, there has been another significant change: a change in the form and quantity of bank liabilities that has resulted in a panic.
More Here..http://www.zerohedge.com/article/gary-go...al-banking
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