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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
Powhatan
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
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The US government shutdown is preventing us from seeing NASA pics of ISON's close encounter with Mars. The ESA is not shutdown and has a functioning Mars orbiter. Why haven't they released any pictures?
Earth based telescopes showed that there was definitely some kind of interaction between Mars and ISON, probably an electrical discharge between the two celestial bodies.
If nothing happened wouldn't they release the images to shut up the ISON doomers?
If something interesting did happen, wouldn't the news reports and publicity help maintain funding for space programs during this time of tight budgets?
I'm trying to believe that we have nothing to worry about, but the only reason I can think of for not releasing the images is that they just don't want us to see them.
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Powhatan
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
I know that a lot of European LOPsters are on at this time of day. I was hoping that some of you might be able to shed some light on this.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
It seems to me the best way to get our attention. All eyes towards the sky while the rug is pulled out from under us. The left hand never knows what the right hand is doing.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-09-2013 09:23 PM)
It seems to me the best way to get our attention. All eyes towards the sky while the rug is pulled out from under us. The left hand never knows what the right hand is doing.
What better distraction from their earthly shenanigans than a whiz-bang martian light show. Instead we get nothing, not even a boring close-up of ISON. What do they have to lose by showing us SOMETHING.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
According to this link:

http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=C/2012%20S1&orb=1

First Observations used (first obs. used 2011-09-30)
The date it was supposedly discovered (2012-09-22)

Thats all I need to know to distrust any futher official information regarding comet ISON.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
Powhatan  Wrote: (10-09-2013 06:40 PM)
The US government shutdown is preventing us from seeing NASA pics of ISON's close encounter with Mars. The ESA is not shutdown and has a functioning Mars orbiter. Why haven't they released any pictures?
Earth based telescopes showed that there was definitely some kind of interaction between Mars and ISON, probably an electrical discharge between the two celestial bodies.
If nothing happened wouldn't they release the images to shut up the ISON doomers?
If something interesting did happen, wouldn't the news reports and publicity help maintain funding for space programs during this time of tight budgets?
I'm trying to believe that we have nothing to worry about, but the only reason I can think of for not releasing the images is that they just don't want us to see them.

Quote:Earth based telescopes showed that there was definitely some kind of interaction between Mars and ISON, probably an electrical discharge between the two celestial bodies.

^ Could you please cite your source? ^

First of all, the images of ISON as it passed by Mars have already been released by NASA and NASA/ESA have provided Hubble images of ISON. As far as I know the ESA's Mars Express Orbiter failed to get an an image of the comet.

There are new images of ISON released daily by astronomer's all around the world. Why do you need NASA or the ESA to provide you with photo's of ISON when there are others providing you with images? As a matter of fact, you can go outside and see ISON with your own two eyes (with help from a telescope or binoculars) or you can wait until it becomes visible to the naked eye.

Quote:If something interesting did happen, wouldn't the news reports and publicity help maintain funding for space programs during this time of tight budgets?

Absolutely not. No offense but what planet do you live on?
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Miss Direction
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
Its when they don't tell you anything. That's when you should worry.
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are you referring to these released 256 square pixel images MrGemini ?

http://www.uahirise.org/releases/ison.php

they're an insult to a human beings intelligence. Nice of you to wander by and blow some smoke however, no offence.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
Mr. Gemini, I think that's what concerns him. We're getting most of our closeup ISON photos from Bruce Gary and other amateurs. NASA and its European equivalents have much better equipment. "Much" is an understatement, like comparing a Model T to a race car. They took down the space fence, block portions of images, and only share poor quality pictures that should embarrass them. Not that any of this matters now, since the agency has been shut down just when the skies are getting interesting. It's a cover-up, of course. Loose lips sink ships.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
MrGemini  Wrote: (10-09-2013 10:18 PM)
Powhatan  Wrote: (10-09-2013 06:40 PM)
The US government shutdown is preventing us from seeing NASA pics of ISON's close encounter with Mars. The ESA is not shutdown and has a functioning Mars orbiter. Why haven't they released any pictures?
Earth based telescopes showed that there was definitely some kind of interaction between Mars and ISON, probably an electrical discharge between the two celestial bodies.
If nothing happened wouldn't they release the images to shut up the ISON doomers?
If something interesting did happen, wouldn't the news reports and publicity help maintain funding for space programs during this time of tight budgets?
I'm trying to believe that we have nothing to worry about, but the only reason I can think of for not releasing the images is that they just don't want us to see them.

Quote:Earth based telescopes showed that there was definitely some kind of interaction between Mars and ISON, probably an electrical discharge between the two celestial bodies.

^ Could you please cite your source? ^

First of all, the images of ISON as it passed by Mars have already been released by NASA and NASA/ESA have provided Hubble images of ISON. As far as I know the ESA's Mars Express Orbiter failed to get an an image of the comet.

There are new images of ISON released daily by astronomer's all around the world. Why do you need NASA or the ESA to provide you with photo's of ISON when there are others providing you with images? As a matter of fact, you can go outside and see ISON with your own two eyes (with help from a telescope or binoculars) or you can wait until it becomes visible to the naked eye.

Quote:If something interesting did happen, wouldn't the news reports and publicity help maintain funding for space programs during this time of tight budgets?

Absolutely not. No offense but what planet do you live on?
With respect to the sources, an amateur astronomer got pictures that I'm sure you're well aware of. Most of the arguments against those pictures consist of ad hominem attacks against that woman. I've yet to see a convincing argument debunking the pictures themselves. McCanney said he and others observed the same things this woman photographed. Again I read lot's of attacks against the man here, but don't see much in the way of substance to refute his claims.

As for NASA images, how many have come out since the shutdown? ISON's Mars fly by happened after the shutdown.
Yes new images from ground based telescopes come out every day, but wouldn't it be nice to get pictures from something that close to the comet.
Let's assume that ESA's orbiter couldn't get pictures from a comet that was in it's face. Ground based observers [with pictures] reported that Mars glowed like a comet, and was much more radiant than it's supposed to be. Are you telling me that ESA's probe couldn't even take pictures of Mars' surface to prove that nothing unusual was going on?
Finally, as for space agencies not wanting lead stories on the news to get people excited about space, what planet are you living on?
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I must have pissed someone off, as soon as I posted my reply to Mr Gemini my computer was attacked, that never happened to me here before. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
One is born unto this planet in these moderm times and has no right to knowledge. The people are simply robots, birth, entrainment, work and death.

How often does a comet fly-by so close to a planet in our solar system?
It is a time for awe and wonderment wherther it's going to be destructive or not - it is nature. The billions spent on space exploration by the people has been returned with contempt.
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Yes ESA showed us a picture of Mars. It was just a totally black photo with nothing in it, cos Mars.....it's gone.
The God of War destroyed by I Son of God.

And we're next.

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European Space Agency not releasing ISON/ Mars Pics. Why?
Powhatan  Wrote: (10-09-2013 11:07 PM)
I must have pissed someone off, as soon as I posted my reply to Mr Gemini my computer was attacked, that never happened to me here before. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

Took a crack at me 30 minutes ago.

Perspective is everything
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Quote:The ESA/NASA SOHO mission will view the comet as it swings around the Sun at the end of November, and astronomers will be waiting to see if the comet survives its fiery encounter.

ESA’s Venus Express and Proba-2 also plan to target the comet during November and December.

The comet will be brightest in our skies just before and in the week after its encounter with the Sun, assuming it survives, but will likely have faded by the time it makes its closest approach to Earth on 26 December. It will pass Earth with no threat of impact.

Since comets are unpredictable by nature, and planet-orbiting spacecraft are not primarily designed to observe distant comets, it is uncertain exactly what results are to be expected. But while we await the results from spacecraft, there is clearly much to be seen from the ground already.

If you make any observations we would be delighted to share them on our Twitter and Flickr channels. Please contact us via Twitter at @esascience or by email at [email protected]

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_...Comet_ISON




Ever think they may have more important things to focus on than a dirty snowball that is boku millons of miles away.

Maybe the Juno probe for example.

They all float down here...

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