The second hidden item is more about Lucifer stuff, but both contain information which may be relevant!
FreedomStandsWrote:
The LibrarianWrote:
Lucifer and Satan are Venus and Saturn. Jesus is the Sun of God.
What happens during the day when the sun is out? Plants grow which give you food and wine. Predators aren't hunting. Kids are playing.
What happens at night? At night you can see Venus and Saturn. They come out and the sun dies. People have sex, animals hunt, thieves come out, wild parties and orgies are had...
When the sun is reborn or resurrected the next morning, better behavior begins again.
It's that simple. No demons involved. It's as simple as night and day.
Hi, I don't need to offend you, but I'm pretty annoyed with people constantly saying stuff like this because it has no basis in history or linguistics or etymology or anything, its just plain silly (I'd actually say its just plain idiotic, but I don't want to be too rude even though I find it extremely annoying and I'm saddened by how many people have been retarded by the Zeitgeist type Acharya S. stupidity).
Ok, you're dealing with multiple unrelated languages and concepts, I'll try to explain this as clearly as possible, and I hope someone cares about the academic and educated truth rather than just spouting and parroting ridiculous stuff.
Lucifer is the latin word for the morning star, a light in the sky which appears in the mornings but is actually the planet Venus in reality and not a star. The symbol used for it in various cultures was often a pentacle/pentagram and this is because of a number of positions it takes in the sky due to its inferior conjunctions with Earth in its orbit.
Lucifer was not a term attributed to the character of Satan until a scholar and scribe misunderstood a verse in Isaiah and thought it was speaking of Satan from the context of a Christian retrospective reading. The verse he misunderstood is actually talking about a Babylonian King, and among semitic language speaking Kings, the term shining one and son of the dawn may have been used as epithets. The term they used was not "Lucifer" because they did not speak the latin language, the term used in the Hebrew Bible translated as Lucifer is part of the bitter eulogy given in Isaiah where Isaiah 14:12 the term morning star is used to a Babylonian King, since some of the community were angry about the Babylonian captivity.
The term Lucifer is used in the Latin Bible of Jesus in Revelation 22:16 where Jesus supposedly refers to himself by this title, after mentioning the Kingly line of David, yet again connecting Kingship with this term as used in an epithet for semitic Kings.
The term Lucifer was used in Latin to mean the morning star before Romans became Christianized and before the word became widely associated with Satan, even though it is a term used of Jesus in the New Testament book of Revelation.
Venus was not a word used of the planet Venus in ancient Rome, that association was made as late as the 13th century "Meaning "second planet from the sun" is attested from late 13c. (Old English had morgensteorra and æfensteorra). "
Satan is derived from a Hebrew word meaning enemy basically, and it is a word belonging to the semitic language family. The word Satan has nothing to do with the word Saturn. Saturn was the word for sowing the harvest in Latin, it has nothing to do with Satan, Latin is not part of the semitic language family. "In Akkadian, the planet (Saturn) was kaiamanu, lit. "constant, enduring," hence Heb. kiyyun, Arabic and Pers. kaiwan "Saturn.""
I've explained these kinds of things to people so many times, and then I just see that the people ignore it all and persist in spreading lies and misinformation and ignorance.
The word Jesus derives from the Greek word Iesous pronounced EeyaySou(s), possibly from the Aramaic Palestinian pronounciation of Ees'hoh or Ees'hah (Aramaic was the main language in the region and the Palestinian dialect and accent was different from that in Syria and other ancient Aramaic speaking regions). In later European transliteration the letter J was used but the pronounciation retained a Y sound for J, until completely mispronounced in modern English. The same goes for Jehovah, which was pronounced Yuh'Hoh'Wah until people reading the J incorrectly pronounced it like many do today.
Now comes the most silly part of all, the word "sun" and "son" being mixed by Zeitgeist types, when those words only sound similar in modern English, and even have no connection in the English etymology, let alone the Greek which is where the English translation term "Son of God" comes from.
son (n.) Look up son at Dictionary.com
O.E. sunu "son," from P.Gmc. *sunuz
sun (n.) Look up sun at Dictionary.com
O.E. sunne, from P.Gmc. *sunnon (cf. O.N., O.S., O.H.G. sunna, M.Du. sonne, Du. zon, Ger. Sonne, Goth. sunno), from PIE *s(u)wen- (cf. Avestan xueng "sun," O.Ir. fur-sunnud "lighting up"), alternative form of root *saewel- "to shine, sun" (see Sol).
Two different etymologies from the indo-european language family. The word son and sun are not the same word, nor carry the same meaning, nor are interchanging just because they are pronounced similarly now in modern English.
Predators do hunt when the sun is out, and when the sons are out. Look at all the daytime footage of predators actively hunting prey during the daytime. Some hunters are nocturnal, and some hunt during the day, and some hunt during both the day and the night.
The word Venus and Saturn come from Latin, but the word Venus was not used of the planet of Venus at the time, that connection appeared in the 13th century at least. Saturn was never used of Satan, but was a reference to sowing seeds for the harvest.
So I'm sorry to interfere with your attempt or hope in finding a simple answer to things, but what you stated about Satan being Saturn as well as other things is just totally misleading, mixing words with no etymological connections just because they are pronounced similarly by English speakers. It is just plain silly and I really want to say that it is just plain stupid, but I don't mean to offend you.
Nobody was thinking of the Hebrew and Semitic word Satan when Saturn was mentioned in Latin, and nobody was thinking of Satan when Venus or Lucifer were used in Latin. Nobody was thinking of Venus or the Morning Star when Satan was mentioned to Hebrews and semitic language speaking peoples such as those who speak Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew.
The term "Son" wasn't even used by the Greeks, but both words used
(pais, and huios) that are often translated as son often have different meanings such as "servant" and "slave" and "herald to a King" and "child" rather than the specific term "Son". The term Pater, which is often translated as Father, also meant Master and Originator:
James 1:17 calls God the "Pater" of the heavenly lights (stars) for example, it doesn't mean that God is a man who is producing stars, it means God is the originator and master of the stars. The term Pater was a term used in respect and reverence, and didn't have the same meaning as does the word "Father" does today. Masters were called "Pater" by their slaves which they called "pais" and "huios" as a term indicating a subordinate status.
I hope anyone who reads this, has enough respect for history and themselves to stick to the facts and not blurt out silly propaganda promoted by deceptive and ignorant people like those who made the Zeitgeist movie and Acharya S. who was an important source for the information in Zeitgeist (of which SO much is ridiculously wrong, and so disrespectful of the viewers and history and truth).
Thank You for reading.
If anyone would like to learn something, please read my post above!
For some more, read the post below:
Hail Lucifer, not Satan.
Lucifer means "light bearer" and who is the true bearer of light (knowledge)?
Satan means enemy, and that means "not your friend"!
"adversary, Satan, withstand
From satan; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good -- adversary, Satan, withstand"
"be an adversary, resist
A primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse -- (be an) adversary, resist. "
"from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."
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It mainly seems to mean enemy, attacker, obstructor, opposition, and stuff like that.
I know that among some Jewish scholars it is considered to be a term to refer to angels or a particular angel, but the Bible itself never says the character usually associated with Satan is an angel.
The term translated as "serpent" in Genesis, can also be translated as "whisperer" and was used of "enchanters", but also applied to serpents due to their hissing whispering sound.
The "stn" root doesn't mean "prosecutor" as much as it means "attacker" and "enemy".
There is a whole lot of meaning meaning missing from the english Bibles of today! One should look carefully at he Hebrew and the semitic roots of words.
Yes, I have read the Bible. Satan appears to be a spirit rather than an angel (messenger) of God. The term appears to mean "enemy" and is used even of God at one point apparently. Lucifer was a reference to a Babylonian King who had died in Isaiah. It was an epithet for Babylonian Kings, not a reference to an angel or fallen angels or anything like that.
You can verify what I'm saying online.
The New Testament also does not say that Satan was an angel, but can at most pretend to be an angel though was a "murderer from the start", and refers to him as "drakkon" in translation of the serpent reference in Genesis.
The term "Lucifer" means light bearer, and the term (though it was used in Latin to refer to the planet Venus) can be used to refer to the true "light bearer" if "light" is to mean knowledge and that which makes things visible. That is God, not Satan.
Why do people react to names rather than trying to understand their meaning? These days the name is wrongfully associated with Satan, a character who does not deserve the title of "light bearer".
Did I ever say that Luciferians believe that the one they call Lucifer is a Babylonian King? No. I said that the reference in Isaiah is to a Babylonian King. This is well understood among scholars. Only Christian translators later on attributed the term Lucifer to Satan.
The reason I said "hail Lucifer" is to clarify that the meaning of the name Lucifer is good, and many people (stupidly?) attribute it to Satan when Satan doesn't deserve such a title. God is the bearer of all "light" as in knowledge, and such an attribute is known among various religions. The idea that "light" is a reference to "knowledge" and that God provides knowledge.
Prove it. Prove that it calls him an angel, it doesn't. This is what it says:
Job 2:1
On another day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him.
(Satan ALSO came, it differentiates between Satan and the angels, and it does so further in the next verse)
Job 2:2
And the LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
(Satan is not part of God's "heavenly court" as you claimed, but is "roaming through the Earth")
Yes, there are some Jewish scholars who make this "angel" thing up, but nowhere in the Bible does it say Satan is actually an angel or part of the Malakhim.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It doesn't say he is an angel, nor does it say he is the person referenced in Isaiah.
When I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about the Lucifer bad guys talk about, I believe the term in its meaning of "Light Bearer" belongs rightfully to God.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Lucifer is a term applied to Jesus, did you know that? It is never applied to Satan in the Bible.
When I say Lucifer, I'm not talking about Jesus or Satan, but God.
I do not believe the term "Morning Star" is an appropriate epithet for God. The term Lucifer was used to refer to the "Morning Star" which is Venus, and was a term associated with Kingship among semitic Kings. The term Lucifer in its meaning of "light bearer" and in reference to "light" being a term used also to refer to "knowledge" or "making one aware" is an appropriate epithet for God.
Nowhere in the Bible is Satan called Lucifer, yet Jesus Christ is called Lucifer in Revelation 22:16 as I've quoted above (a term used for the Morning Star which is what was being said there and was yet again a reference to the semitic idea of Kingship as related to Venus).
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
You'll notice the mention of King David is directly followed by the epithet used of Semitic Kings "Morning Star".
Lucifer is a term applied to a Babylonian King in Isaiah and to Jesus in Revelations. Lucifer is the Latin term used for the Morning Star. Morning Star was an epithet for semitic Kings apparently, and so it was used for Jesus after reference to being from the Kingly line of David.
Lucifer became a term mistakenly identified with the character of Satan, but nowhere in the Bible does it call Satan Lucifer, and Christians ended up making this whole story about Satan being an angel called Lucifer when the Bible never says Satan was ever an angel.
Lucifer as a term simply means "light bearer" or "light bearing" and though it was used prominently as a reference to the morning star (Venus) and its symbol (the pentacle/pentagram) was due to the inferior conjunctions of Venus to the Earth, the word itself can also be used to mean "light bearing" as in "knowledge bearing" if "light" is used metaphorically to mean "knowledge" or "that which makes something visible or comprehensible".
In the sense of the most basic metaphorical meaning of the word, what I call "God" would be the Ultimate source of all information (which everything everywhere is made of), and thus the true "light/knowledge bearer" that also provides whatever awareness we have of anything and all the experiences of information in our lives.
I do not believe the term "Morning Star" is appropriate for the Ultimate Power, nor do I believe that Jesus is God, nor do I believe that the term Lucifer in the Latin Translation of Isaiah was referring to Satan (though many use the term Lucifer to refer to Satan, even among some Satanists/Luciferians), but when I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about Satan or Jesus, but rather God, who I think the term is appropriate for (Among some gnostics, the term Lucifer seems to be applied to the One Source as well, and some make a distinction stating that Satan or the Serpent in the Garden is an agent of Lucifer or incarnation of Lucifer sent to give people knowledge).
Lucifer exists as a term, as a reference, as an actual symptom of things, and as an appropriate attribute for the Ultimate. This is simply because the latin word Lucifer means "light bearer". Thus anything that bears "light" either symbolically or naturally would qualify as a "light bearer".
When I say "hail Lucifer" I am referring particularly to what I've explained in other posts, as an attribute or epithet for the Ultimate Power which "bears light" as in "knowledge". I am not speaking of Satan, and the association with Satan and the serpent is generally an invention that occurred later due to Christian misunderstandings of some things (yet the term Lucifer is used of Jesus, in the sense it is used to refer to Jesus it is a translation of the epithet "morning star" which was a title of prestige and honor among semitic Kings apparently, as is mentioned in Isaiah in reference to a Babylonian King. When I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about the "morning star" which is the planet Venus, nor am I talking about Satan, but I am talking about the Ultimate Power which provides all information and knowledge that exists (which you can read about in the linked posts in the first post of my thread linked in my signature).
"morning stars". Do you know what the "morning star" is? The "morning star" is a "star" that appears in the sky in the mornings. It isn't actually a star though, it is the planet Venus.
The title "morning star", or "morning venus" if that helps, was used as an epithet for Kings in semitic languages. It was used of the Babylonian King Isaiah was eulogizing bitterly, and it was used later of Jesus in Revelations due to his Kingship through the line of David.
The term Messiah is not used exclusively of Jesus either, but is applied even to the Persian King Cyrus. Messiah means "annointed one" in reference to the oil which leaders were anointed with when selected to lead.
The second hidden item is more about Lucifer stuff, but both contain information which may be relevant!
FreedomStandsWrote:
The LibrarianWrote:
Lucifer and Satan are Venus and Saturn. Jesus is the Sun of God.
What happens during the day when the sun is out? Plants grow which give you food and wine. Predators aren't hunting. Kids are playing.
What happens at night? At night you can see Venus and Saturn. They come out and the sun dies. People have sex, animals hunt, thieves come out, wild parties and orgies are had...
When the sun is reborn or resurrected the next morning, better behavior begins again.
It's that simple. No demons involved. It's as simple as night and day.
Hi, I don't need to offend you, but I'm pretty annoyed with people constantly saying stuff like this because it has no basis in history or linguistics or etymology or anything, its just plain silly (I'd actually say its just plain idiotic, but I don't want to be too rude even though I find it extremely annoying and I'm saddened by how many people have been retarded by the Zeitgeist type Acharya S. stupidity).
Ok, you're dealing with multiple unrelated languages and concepts, I'll try to explain this as clearly as possible, and I hope someone cares about the academic and educated truth rather than just spouting and parroting ridiculous stuff.
Lucifer is the latin word for the morning star, a light in the sky which appears in the mornings but is actually the planet Venus in reality and not a star. The symbol used for it in various cultures was often a pentacle/pentagram and this is because of a number of positions it takes in the sky due to its inferior conjunctions with Earth in its orbit.
Lucifer was not a term attributed to the character of Satan until a scholar and scribe misunderstood a verse in Isaiah and thought it was speaking of Satan from the context of a Christian retrospective reading. The verse he misunderstood is actually talking about a Babylonian King, and among semitic language speaking Kings, the term shining one and son of the dawn may have been used as epithets. The term they used was not "Lucifer" because they did not speak the latin language, the term used in the Hebrew Bible translated as Lucifer is part of the bitter eulogy given in Isaiah where Isaiah 14:12 the term morning star is used to a Babylonian King, since some of the community were angry about the Babylonian captivity.
The term Lucifer is used in the Latin Bible of Jesus in Revelation 22:16 where Jesus supposedly refers to himself by this title, after mentioning the Kingly line of David, yet again connecting Kingship with this term as used in an epithet for semitic Kings.
The term Lucifer was used in Latin to mean the morning star before Romans became Christianized and before the word became widely associated with Satan, even though it is a term used of Jesus in the New Testament book of Revelation.
Venus was not a word used of the planet Venus in ancient Rome, that association was made as late as the 13th century "Meaning "second planet from the sun" is attested from late 13c. (Old English had morgensteorra and æfensteorra). "
Satan is derived from a Hebrew word meaning enemy basically, and it is a word belonging to the semitic language family. The word Satan has nothing to do with the word Saturn. Saturn was the word for sowing the harvest in Latin, it has nothing to do with Satan, Latin is not part of the semitic language family. "In Akkadian, the planet (Saturn) was kaiamanu, lit. "constant, enduring," hence Heb. kiyyun, Arabic and Pers. kaiwan "Saturn.""
I've explained these kinds of things to people so many times, and then I just see that the people ignore it all and persist in spreading lies and misinformation and ignorance.
The word Jesus derives from the Greek word Iesous pronounced EeyaySou(s), possibly from the Aramaic Palestinian pronounciation of Ees'hoh or Ees'hah (Aramaic was the main language in the region and the Palestinian dialect and accent was different from that in Syria and other ancient Aramaic speaking regions). In later European transliteration the letter J was used but the pronounciation retained a Y sound for J, until completely mispronounced in modern English. The same goes for Jehovah, which was pronounced Yuh'Hoh'Wah until people reading the J incorrectly pronounced it like many do today.
Now comes the most silly part of all, the word "sun" and "son" being mixed by Zeitgeist types, when those words only sound similar in modern English, and even have no connection in the English etymology, let alone the Greek which is where the English translation term "Son of God" comes from.
son (n.) Look up son at Dictionary.com
O.E. sunu "son," from P.Gmc. *sunuz
sun (n.) Look up sun at Dictionary.com
O.E. sunne, from P.Gmc. *sunnon (cf. O.N., O.S., O.H.G. sunna, M.Du. sonne, Du. zon, Ger. Sonne, Goth. sunno), from PIE *s(u)wen- (cf. Avestan xueng "sun," O.Ir. fur-sunnud "lighting up"), alternative form of root *saewel- "to shine, sun" (see Sol).
Two different etymologies from the indo-european language family. The word son and sun are not the same word, nor carry the same meaning, nor are interchanging just because they are pronounced similarly now in modern English.
Predators do hunt when the sun is out, and when the sons are out. Look at all the daytime footage of predators actively hunting prey during the daytime. Some hunters are nocturnal, and some hunt during the day, and some hunt during both the day and the night.
The word Venus and Saturn come from Latin, but the word Venus was not used of the planet of Venus at the time, that connection appeared in the 13th century at least. Saturn was never used of Satan, but was a reference to sowing seeds for the harvest.
So I'm sorry to interfere with your attempt or hope in finding a simple answer to things, but what you stated about Satan being Saturn as well as other things is just totally misleading, mixing words with no etymological connections just because they are pronounced similarly by English speakers. It is just plain silly and I really want to say that it is just plain stupid, but I don't mean to offend you.
Nobody was thinking of the Hebrew and Semitic word Satan when Saturn was mentioned in Latin, and nobody was thinking of Satan when Venus or Lucifer were used in Latin. Nobody was thinking of Venus or the Morning Star when Satan was mentioned to Hebrews and semitic language speaking peoples such as those who speak Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, and Hebrew.
The term "Son" wasn't even used by the Greeks, but both words used
(pais, and huios) that are often translated as son often have different meanings such as "servant" and "slave" and "herald to a King" and "child" rather than the specific term "Son". The term Pater, which is often translated as Father, also meant Master and Originator:
James 1:17 calls God the "Pater" of the heavenly lights (stars) for example, it doesn't mean that God is a man who is producing stars, it means God is the originator and master of the stars. The term Pater was a term used in respect and reverence, and didn't have the same meaning as does the word "Father" does today. Masters were called "Pater" by their slaves which they called "pais" and "huios" as a term indicating a subordinate status.
I hope anyone who reads this, has enough respect for history and themselves to stick to the facts and not blurt out silly propaganda promoted by deceptive and ignorant people like those who made the Zeitgeist movie and Acharya S. who was an important source for the information in Zeitgeist (of which SO much is ridiculously wrong, and so disrespectful of the viewers and history and truth).
Thank You for reading.
If anyone would like to learn something, please read my post above!
For some more, read the post below:
Hail Lucifer, not Satan.
Lucifer means "light bearer" and who is the true bearer of light (knowledge)?
Satan means enemy, and that means "not your friend"!
"adversary, Satan, withstand
From satan; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good -- adversary, Satan, withstand"
"be an adversary, resist
A primitive root; to attack, (figuratively) accuse -- (be an) adversary, resist. "
"from Heb. satan "adversary, one who plots against another," from satan "to show enmity to, oppose, plot against," from root s-t-n "one who opposes, obstructs, or acts as an adversary."
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It mainly seems to mean enemy, attacker, obstructor, opposition, and stuff like that.
I know that among some Jewish scholars it is considered to be a term to refer to angels or a particular angel, but the Bible itself never says the character usually associated with Satan is an angel.
The term translated as "serpent" in Genesis, can also be translated as "whisperer" and was used of "enchanters", but also applied to serpents due to their hissing whispering sound.
The "stn" root doesn't mean "prosecutor" as much as it means "attacker" and "enemy".
There is a whole lot of meaning meaning missing from the english Bibles of today! One should look carefully at he Hebrew and the semitic roots of words.
Yes, I have read the Bible. Satan appears to be a spirit rather than an angel (messenger) of God. The term appears to mean "enemy" and is used even of God at one point apparently. Lucifer was a reference to a Babylonian King who had died in Isaiah. It was an epithet for Babylonian Kings, not a reference to an angel or fallen angels or anything like that.
You can verify what I'm saying online.
The New Testament also does not say that Satan was an angel, but can at most pretend to be an angel though was a "murderer from the start", and refers to him as "drakkon" in translation of the serpent reference in Genesis.
The term "Lucifer" means light bearer, and the term (though it was used in Latin to refer to the planet Venus) can be used to refer to the true "light bearer" if "light" is to mean knowledge and that which makes things visible. That is God, not Satan.
Why do people react to names rather than trying to understand their meaning? These days the name is wrongfully associated with Satan, a character who does not deserve the title of "light bearer".
Did I ever say that Luciferians believe that the one they call Lucifer is a Babylonian King? No. I said that the reference in Isaiah is to a Babylonian King. This is well understood among scholars. Only Christian translators later on attributed the term Lucifer to Satan.
The reason I said "hail Lucifer" is to clarify that the meaning of the name Lucifer is good, and many people (stupidly?) attribute it to Satan when Satan doesn't deserve such a title. God is the bearer of all "light" as in knowledge, and such an attribute is known among various religions. The idea that "light" is a reference to "knowledge" and that God provides knowledge.
Prove it. Prove that it calls him an angel, it doesn't. This is what it says:
Job 2:1
On another day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before him.
(Satan ALSO came, it differentiates between Satan and the angels, and it does so further in the next verse)
Job 2:2
And the LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."
(Satan is not part of God's "heavenly court" as you claimed, but is "roaming through the Earth")
Yes, there are some Jewish scholars who make this "angel" thing up, but nowhere in the Bible does it say Satan is actually an angel or part of the Malakhim.
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
It doesn't say he is an angel, nor does it say he is the person referenced in Isaiah.
When I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about the Lucifer bad guys talk about, I believe the term in its meaning of "Light Bearer" belongs rightfully to God.
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
Lucifer is a term applied to Jesus, did you know that? It is never applied to Satan in the Bible.
When I say Lucifer, I'm not talking about Jesus or Satan, but God.
I do not believe the term "Morning Star" is an appropriate epithet for God. The term Lucifer was used to refer to the "Morning Star" which is Venus, and was a term associated with Kingship among semitic Kings. The term Lucifer in its meaning of "light bearer" and in reference to "light" being a term used also to refer to "knowledge" or "making one aware" is an appropriate epithet for God.
Nowhere in the Bible is Satan called Lucifer, yet Jesus Christ is called Lucifer in Revelation 22:16 as I've quoted above (a term used for the Morning Star which is what was being said there and was yet again a reference to the semitic idea of Kingship as related to Venus).
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
You'll notice the mention of King David is directly followed by the epithet used of Semitic Kings "Morning Star".
Lucifer is a term applied to a Babylonian King in Isaiah and to Jesus in Revelations. Lucifer is the Latin term used for the Morning Star. Morning Star was an epithet for semitic Kings apparently, and so it was used for Jesus after reference to being from the Kingly line of David.
Lucifer became a term mistakenly identified with the character of Satan, but nowhere in the Bible does it call Satan Lucifer, and Christians ended up making this whole story about Satan being an angel called Lucifer when the Bible never says Satan was ever an angel.
Lucifer as a term simply means "light bearer" or "light bearing" and though it was used prominently as a reference to the morning star (Venus) and its symbol (the pentacle/pentagram) was due to the inferior conjunctions of Venus to the Earth, the word itself can also be used to mean "light bearing" as in "knowledge bearing" if "light" is used metaphorically to mean "knowledge" or "that which makes something visible or comprehensible".
In the sense of the most basic metaphorical meaning of the word, what I call "God" would be the Ultimate source of all information (which everything everywhere is made of), and thus the true "light/knowledge bearer" that also provides whatever awareness we have of anything and all the experiences of information in our lives.
I do not believe the term "Morning Star" is appropriate for the Ultimate Power, nor do I believe that Jesus is God, nor do I believe that the term Lucifer in the Latin Translation of Isaiah was referring to Satan (though many use the term Lucifer to refer to Satan, even among some Satanists/Luciferians), but when I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about Satan or Jesus, but rather God, who I think the term is appropriate for (Among some gnostics, the term Lucifer seems to be applied to the One Source as well, and some make a distinction stating that Satan or the Serpent in the Garden is an agent of Lucifer or incarnation of Lucifer sent to give people knowledge).
Lucifer exists as a term, as a reference, as an actual symptom of things, and as an appropriate attribute for the Ultimate. This is simply because the latin word Lucifer means "light bearer". Thus anything that bears "light" either symbolically or naturally would qualify as a "light bearer".
When I say "hail Lucifer" I am referring particularly to what I've explained in other posts, as an attribute or epithet for the Ultimate Power which "bears light" as in "knowledge". I am not speaking of Satan, and the association with Satan and the serpent is generally an invention that occurred later due to Christian misunderstandings of some things (yet the term Lucifer is used of Jesus, in the sense it is used to refer to Jesus it is a translation of the epithet "morning star" which was a title of prestige and honor among semitic Kings apparently, as is mentioned in Isaiah in reference to a Babylonian King. When I say "hail Lucifer" I'm not talking about the "morning star" which is the planet Venus, nor am I talking about Satan, but I am talking about the Ultimate Power which provides all information and knowledge that exists (which you can read about in the linked posts in the first post of my thread linked in my signature).
"morning stars". Do you know what the "morning star" is? The "morning star" is a "star" that appears in the sky in the mornings. It isn't actually a star though, it is the planet Venus.
The title "morning star", or "morning venus" if that helps, was used as an epithet for Kings in semitic languages. It was used of the Babylonian King Isaiah was eulogizing bitterly, and it was used later of Jesus in Revelations due to his Kingship through the line of David.
The term Messiah is not used exclusively of Jesus either, but is applied even to the Persian King Cyrus. Messiah means "annointed one" in reference to the oil which leaders were anointed with when selected to lead.
I don't believe Jesus and Lucifer are the same thing. Sorry but they really are not anything alike. Lucifer is God of the vatican and they and Jesus would have nothing in common. Jesus wouldn't even support the existence of it let alone be worshiped by it.
Jade budda Registered User User ID: 121427 10-22-2012 07:12 AM
So your saying somehow it made it to Jupiter. Is this a success?
Yes,
How do you get fusion going there? That's where the LWRHU's come into play. They are Pyrolitic Graphite casings surrounding Pu-238/239 and the casings equation of state allow them to fall to near the center of Jupiter in the LIQUID METALLIC hydrogen without melting.
These dropped in the 1995 BEHIND A HEAT SHIELD!
When one went supercritical you had the KEY fission spark to initiate the fusion. The science adds up.
--LWHRU's into Jupiter INTACT in 1995
--Falling deep is allowed by EOS of carbon
--Pu-238/239 mix deemed fissile and fissionable
--Supercritical Spark creates 1 trillion Kelvin temps under 30 million bars containment
--Fusion reaction consolidates to center after liquidating it.
--Fusion reaaction spreads to no more than 10% radius (inner).
--Resulting Wesley mark and antipodal electrical discharges point to the CENTER being affected
--IR radiation "from the depths" rising now verified in Physics.org article
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