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Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Charlie the Tuna
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03-11-2010 05:28 AM

 



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Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Means people I knew will be driving even less. Means higher transporation costs and stores trying to pass them costs on too. They don't even Talk about the effect on heating oil. Looks like another steps towards "World Made By Hand". Me - putting a couple solid rubbery bicycle tires on my wish list.




http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-re...7635.story

ENERGY

Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks
The response to slumping gasoline use would probably mean higher prices for drivers. Consumer advocates want regulators to examine the firms' plans.

By Ronald D. White

March 11, 2010

Some of the nation's biggest oil companies are looking at permanently reducing how much gasoline and diesel fuel they make, a move that analysts say would almost certainly trigger higher prices for drivers.

Energy companies are suffering huge losses from refining because of slumping gasoline use -- a product of the economic downturn and changing consumer habits and preferences. Energy experts say refining cutbacks have begun and will accelerate as corporations strive for profits.

Major refiners have been circumspect about their plans, saying that they are considering options that could include closing refineries, selling parts of their operations, laying off workers and slashing spending.

"Refineries will have to be closed," said Fadel Gheit, senior energy analyst with Oppenheimer & Co. "Unless this excess capacity is permanently shuttered, a recovery in refining margins is unsustainable."

This week Chevron Corp. launched an overhaul of its fuel-making and retailing business with a plan to cut at least 2,000 jobs, put a refinery in Wales up for sale and take a hard look at its Hawaii refinery.

Royal Dutch Shell said it was reviewing its refinery operations with the idea of keeping only those with the best growth potential. Sunoco Inc. has sold one plant and said last month that its previously idled Eagle Point, N.J., refinery was being shut down permanently.

Valero Energy Corp., the nation's largest refiner, last year closed a Delaware refinery, laying off 500 workers, and mothballed a plant in Aruba.

"We're actually assessing the entire East Coast, whether we should be there or not," Valero Chief Executive William R. Klesse told executives at a recent energy conference.

Energy industry executives say they are facing up to what was previously inconceivable: that the nation's appetite for petroleum products may never return to levels seen earlier in the decade, even if a strong economic recovery takes hold.

"None of us will sell more gasoline than we did in 2007," Tony Heyward, group CEO for oil giant BP, said during a recent earnings teleconference.

For motorists, talk of refinery cuts promises to be anything but cheap. It's feared that leaner supplies will translate into higher pump prices punctuated by expensive spikes when operations are disrupted by weather or other events.

Avid travelers Peter and Kathie Woelper of Squaw Valley, Calif., find that a sobering prospect.

The Woelpers -- he's 71, she's 70 -- live on a fixed income. The couple just returned from a drive to the Vancouver Olympic Games in their 1997 Toyota RAV4, which gets 27 miles per gallon. Trips like that will become rare should gas prices soar.

"There's no reason why gasoline should be as expensive as it is right now, and we are down to a panic situation, money-wise," Peter Woelper said.

Consumer advocates want regulators to probe refinery closures and consolidations that slash supply.

"We know from internal documents from the last time we had a situation like this, in the 1990s, that there was an intentional strategy on the part of some companies to drive up profit margins by shuttering or closing refineries," said Tyson Slocum, director of Public Citizen's energy program.

"Consumer prices will be acutely sensitive to any significant change in refining capacity."

Judy Dugan, research director for Santa Monica-based advocacy group Consumer Watchdog, said that "closing or selling refineries to others who would limit production would be a serious case of corporate irresponsibility."

Refiners say they're merely trying to improve profits so they can keep making gasoline.

"There have been dozens of investigations by state and federal agencies, including some with subpoena power, and not one has ever found evidence of any conspiracy or collusion to manipulate prices," said Tupper Hull, spokesman for the Western States Petroleum Assn., an industry trade group.

If gasoline doesn't seem particularly cheap these days, that's because operators are keeping a tight lid on production; U.S. and European refineries are running at the lowest rate in more than a decade, Gheit said.

Still, compared with demand, there are too many refineries, he said, and an estimated 3 million barrels a day of excess capacity in the U.S. and Europe must disappear to achieve sustained improvement in earnings.

That would be like eliminating 10 refineries worldwide the size of the 270,000-barrel-a-day Chevron facility in El Segundo -- and its 1,000-plus jobs. Other estimates of excess refinery capacity are even higher.

Valero Energy provides a window into the industry's changing fortunes.

Five years ago, Wall Street loved the San Antonio firm. Valero had seen a fivefold increase in share price in 2005, and fourth-quarter earnings for that year were the company's best ever.

Now Valero finds itself in a much different position. It was nearly $2 billion in the red at the end of last year, and its fourth-quarter results were among the company's worst ever, with losses of about $1.4 billion.

The recession contributed to declining fuel demand. But in that same period, vast -- some think permanent -- changes happened.

Americans drove less and switched to vehicles that got better mileage or didn't use gasoline at all. They used mass transit in record numbers. Baby boomers began retiring and stopped commuting. And gasoline gained even more of something that didn't have to be refined from oil -- ethanol.

Few in the refining industry saw what was happening. The belief, particularly after hurricanes Katrina and Rita temporarily devastated the Gulf Coast petroleum network in 2005, was that more refineries were needed.

In the wake of the twin hurricanes, the average U.S. price of regular gasoline jumped nearly 18% to $3.07 a gallon -- a high for the year. In 2008, Hurricane Ike's disruption of refinery operations briefly took prices above $5 a gallon in some parts of the nation.

Critics complained that no new U.S. refinery had been built since 1976, leaving the country's gasoline supplies vulnerable. In fact, between 1998 and 2009, U.S. refining capacity increased by 2.2 million barrels a day, to 17.67 million barrels a day, with the addition of equipment and with improved processes at existing facilities, Energy Department data show.

Refiners raked in big profits from 2003 to 2006, but "by 2007, it was largely over," said Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst for the Oil Price Information Service, an energy information firm in Wall, N.J.

"Now, along with very weak demand numbers for gasoline, everything points to biofuels getting a larger and larger share in the future."

Some people worry that refiners may cut so much that price surges will become inevitable.

"The question is whether they are going to over-adjust," said Phil Flynn, an energy analyst for PFGBest Research. "Probably, they will."
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Angel of the Air
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03-11-2010 05:35 AM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Instead of this perhaps it would be better to stop importing refined fuels and continue with production.

But that would make too much sense....

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Anonymous Coward
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03-11-2010 05:56 AM

 



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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Anyone do the math on federal and state gas taxes? Helps to explain a few things.

LOL.... and people cry about healthcare costs.
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Nazrudin
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03-11-2010 01:32 PM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Oil is so over rated,
use it just for plastics and such.
There is abundant technology
out there already availible for the use of plain water
as a propelant. Soon so called "forbidden technology"
will SOON become availible. we've all been lied to.....

Any one can be great..
Awesome takes practice!™
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GLNLI
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03-11-2010 02:19 PM

 



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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
WHAT THIS CEARLY SAYS IS

THERE IS AN OVER SUPPLY

A GLU

TOO MUCH

YET EVERYDAY WE ARE TOLD, SHORT SUPPLY, A STRIKE MAKES PRICES GO THROUGH THE ROOF, HIGH PRICES, SUPPLY TIGHT.

BUT THE FACT IS

ITS THE OPPOSITE

SEE THE SCAM DONT BUY THEIR CRAP.

GL
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Cassandra
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03-11-2010 02:44 PM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
There have been rumors of mass refinery layoffs here in Houston for quite some time now. Guess it's really going to happen. :(
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The Evil AC
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03-11-2010 03:31 PM

 



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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
So after all these years of opposing a fuel tax to limit gas consumption the market will do it itself and pocket the profits?

Nice!

The refiners will make more profit selling less gas, and that will go into their shareholders pockets instead of gov't tax base. Would have been better if they did that with taxes, tho.

But at least someone will be containing our insane energy consumption

All they are doing is shifting the supply demand curve, which is something that needed to be done to cut our consumption and growing foreign oil dependence.
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Angel of the Air
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03-11-2010 03:43 PM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
The Evil AC  Wrote:
So after all these years of opposing a fuel tax to limit gas consumption the market will do it itself and pocket the profits?

Nice!

The refiners will make more profit selling less gas, and that will go into their shareholders pockets instead of gov't tax base. Would have been better if they did that with taxes, tho.

But at least someone will be containing our insane energy consumption

All they are doing is shifting the supply demand curve, which is something that needed to be done to cut our consumption and growing foreign oil dependence.

No, this is nothing like a tax. What it means is that more refined fuels will come from imports. Refineries in other countries that operate at lower costs will do the work for us Americans.

There will still be the same supply. Demand will be met as long as there is enough oil. But refining capacity is going to be reduced.

As for fuel taxes.... America has the lowest in the industrialized world. See what gas costs in Europe and consider what it would be like here with similar taxing.
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Pi
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03-11-2010 04:33 PM

 



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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
I don't mind paying gas taxes if the society gets something for it in return, as in France, Germany, Austria...

In America apparently they just give the revenue to arms dealers and prison manufactures, while the tax payers are left to drive on crumbling roads and bridges. Anyone that has yet to catch on that America pays the highest per capita taxes worldwide, while getting little to zero return on its investment, might want to consider working abroad for a while to see how the rest of the world gets along.
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Ouroboros
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03-11-2010 05:17 PM

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Not surprising that this news comes after the big oil companies successful contracts in Iraq.

Of course we will still continue to subsidize them wherever they choose to refine.
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Cassandra
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03-11-2010 06:02 PM

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Always thought it odd that hurricane Ike followed the ship channel:

The storm was forecast to make landfall early Saturday morning just southwest of Galveston and to push a storm surge of 15 to 20 feet over the island's seawall, up into Galveston Bay and up the Houston Ship Channel, a nightmare scenario for the nation's fourth-largest metropolis and its oil industry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/12/world/...12241.html

"Looks like Ike has a bull's-eye on Galveston and then right ... into downtown Houston," said Charles Perry, president of energy-consulting firm Perry Management. He left Houston on Thursday. "Right now, the big danger is to the refineries (and chemical plants) located at Texas City, Baytown and along the Houston ship channel."

Elevation for these plants is about 5 to 10 feet above sea level -- and the forecast is for a storm surge of 20 feet to blow up through Galveston with all these plants around
...

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hurrica...exas-coast
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Sara-Ka-El
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03-11-2010 07:23 PM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
Maybe demand is down and that is why the refinery production is being cut back instead of increased. Also it is almost impossible to build a new refinery and that hasn't been done for a long time. We have been at capacity for awhile.


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Andromeda
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03-11-2010 11:15 PM

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The fact is that the market will support higher prices: People will buy gas and use too much energy, even at $4 a gallon, as we saw last year.

Whenever this is true, the market prices will rise so long as there is profit to be taken.

Now, bend over and take it like good girls and boys.

That is all.
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Lost Fisherman
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03-12-2010 03:46 AM

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I don't need to buy gas. I get it for free every time I eat cabbage soup.
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Blue Crystal Storm
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03-12-2010 03:56 PM

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RE:Oil companies look at permanent refinery cutbacks. Higher Gas Prices Expected.
YOU SEEM TO HAVE ALSO OVERLOOKED TWO IMPORTANT FACTS.

1. WHEN YOU SHUT A REFINERY YOU DONT CLOSE JUST PETROL PRODUCTION DOWN, BUT ALSO NAPHTHA, KEROSENE, JET FUEL, DIESEL, FUEL OIL, GAS OIL, BITUMEN, THE WORKS.

2. PETROL IS ALSO USED AS A FEEDSTOCK IN ORGANIC CHEMICALS AND PLASTICS.


GL

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