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Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
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The Candida/Aldehyde Detox Pathway And The Molybdenum Connection
Written by Janice Weiss

As it relates to Candida, those of you who have read the work of Dr. Orion Truss, or who have seen quotes by others from his work, will already have been alerted to his assertion that much of the harm done by Candida results from its waste product, acetaldehyde, which in turn can affect the metabolic, neurological, endocrine, and immune systems. Further, that few chemicals can create so much havoc in the body as acetaldehyde can. It may interfere with the receptors for acetylcholine which is supposedly the major neurotransmitter in the corpus callosum.

Formaldehyde, obviously then, is related to acetaldehyde in the aldehyde chain of chemicals.

Dr. Stephen Rochlitz worked with cross-crawl brain integration exercises with dyslexic patients with formaldehyde taped to these patients right brain hemisphere, and sometimes the left.

Acetaldehyde is a fungal waste product.

Dr. Stephen Cooter, in his book "Beating Chronic Disease", ProMotion Publishing, San Diego, California, states that "Candida is responsible for flooding the system with an accumulation of toxic acetaldehydes. Acetaldehydes are known to poison tissues -- accumulating in the brain, spinal cord, joints, muscles and tissues."

Dr. Cooter then goes on to describe how he learned from a chiropractor, Dr. Carol Cooper [this name came up on this List way back] that molybdenum -- a mineral -- not a medication, but a nutrient, had a blanket reputation for breaking down yeast by-products into forms that the body could excrete. Coincidentally, Dr. Cooter read the monogram by Dr. Walter Schmitt "Molybdenum for Candida Albicans Patients and Other Problems" through Dr. Cooper. [Interestingly, these are all chiropractor, Drs. Roschlitz, Cooper, and Schmitt.]

I'm beginning to see a glimmer of some possible connections here. Dr. Roschlitz's work, and Dr. Walter Schmitt's, although slightly different, seems similar to me to the principle of Dr. Nambupridad's work with NAET, and perhaps then, holding the substance, when the body is worked on through one of their modalities, might not seem so strange after all. I think I see a common denominator here. Worth exploring? Perhaps....

Back to Dr. Cooter and Dr. Schmitt: "Molybdenum is chemically responsible for breaking down acetaldehyde into acetic acid. Acetaldehyde cannot be excreted from the body; it accumulates. Acetic acid can be, though, and the body naturally removes it or changes it into acetyl coenzyme A, a major player in the body's energy system.... Acetaldhyde accumulations in tissue are responsible for weakness in muscles, irritation, and PAIN."

And now for the good part (g), directly quoted from Dr. Walter Schmitt:

"Chemical aldehydes are best known as fragrances." [Shall I repeat that?] "Chemical aldehydess are best known as fragrances.... Ethanol, or drinking alcohol, is also precessed to acetaldehyde. ...the body has an enzyme which breaks down the aldehydes to less toxic substances. This enzyme is aldehyde oxidase, or sometimes, aldehyde dehydrogenase. Aldehydes encountered dietarily or environmentally or produced in the body must be handled by aldehyde oxidase metabolic pathways.

Acetaldehyde is a paraticularly toxic substance which, in addition to being produced by threonine and ethanol, is a product of the metabolism (i.e. fermentation) of carbohydrate in yeast -- hence the Candida connection. Acetaldehyde is thought to be the major source of tissue damage in alcoholics rather than ethanol itself. The conversion of acetaldehyde into acetic acid" for this reaction to occur, threonine to acetaldehyde to acetic acid to acetyl coenzyme A, NAD (niacine amide) is required, and aldehyde oxidase is dependent of riboflavin, iron, and molybdenum. These forgoing nutrients could be helpful to Candida albicans patients, and others who are sensitive to various fragrances and airborne odors. Those patients with aldehyde sensitivity are incredibly sensitive to any type of fragrance.

By coincidence, (or is it?) there's a little squibb in the newsletter from the Environmental Health Association of Dallas on fragrance. "Perfume today is not made from flowers but from toxic chemicals..... More than 4,000 chemicals are used in fragrances. Of these, 95 percent are made from petroleum. Some toxic chemicals found in fragrances: toluene, ethanol, acetone, formaldehyde, limonene, benzene derivatives, methylene chloride, and many others known to cause cancer, birth defects, infertility, nervous system damage, or other injuries.... Exposure to scented products can cause exhaustion, weakness, 'hay fever', dizziness, difficulty concentrating, headaches, rashes, swollen lymph glands, muscle aches and spasms, heart palpitations, nausea, stomach cramps, vomiting, asthma attacks, neuromotor dysfunction, seizures, and loss of consciousness." This was reprinted from No Perfume Means Healthier Air brochure, Breath of Fresh Air Battleaxe, Oakland, California.

And from another source comes another connection -- from Dr. Robert Atkins' newsletter: Dr. Atkins is writing about Pantethine which he prescribes to his Crohn's Disease and Colitis patients, with acknowledgement to Dr. Melvin Werbach for Dr. Werbach's study that demonstrated that people with colitis have markedly decreased Coenzyme A activity if the mucosal surface of their colons, even when the blood levels of pantothenic acid are normal. Dr. Atkins concluded, based on his success with these patients of his, that Pantethine bypasses the block in converting Vitamin B5 (Pantothenic Acid) to Coenzyme A. But also, that Pantethine is a growth factor for lactobacillus bulgaricus and bifidobacterium that we know help control yeast overgrowth (and Dr. Cooter also speaks of it in his book). Candida, according to antibody studies done at the Atkins Center, is involved in more than 80 percent of all cases of Crohn's and Colitis.

And for autoimmune problems, Dr. Atkins states, " For all conditions that a doctor might prescribe prednisone -- allergies, asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, lupus, and olther autoimmune diseases, pantethine can be safely, effectively substituted. I routinely use it for all of those conditions on hundreds of my patients, and it's valuable in weaning them off steroidal drugs, or certainly in allowing a lower dose....

By upping body levels of a body enzyme, pantethine counteracts brain fog, certain allergic sensitivities, and some consequences of alcoholism. (And here it is --) ... In people with candidiasis, the enzyme fights off a toxic byproduct called acetaldehyde, which is thought to cause brain fog, often-suffered but rarely diagnosed.... Acetaldehyde also is suspected of being responsible for some symptoms of alcoholism, including alcoholic heart muscle disease. The pantethine-stimulated enzyme also detoxifies formaldehyde, an all too frequent offender for chemically sensitive individuals."

In summary, Dr. Atkins is saying that Pantethine, without toxic consequences, can reduce cholesterol, counuteract oxidation, stimulate the growth of friendly bacteria, and fight allergies, inflammation, autoimmune disruptions, and alcoholism.

In case you wondered, Dr. Cooter and Dr. Schmtt suggest 300 micrograms of Molybdenum in three divided doses per day, and further suggests staying on it for at least 4 months.. Dr. Atkins suggests 450 to 900 miligrams daily of Pantethine with an equal amount of Pantethenic Acid.

http://www.candidapage.com/aldehyde.shtml
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
no fibromyalgia is not candida I specialize in candida, fibromylgia is a phage infection and can be seen under an electron microscope of stools samples in 98% of all patients
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 07:49 PM)
no fibromyalgia is not candida I specialize in candida, fibromylgia is a phage infection and can be seen under an electron microscope of stools samples in 98% of all patients

You don't think that kind of imbalance could also cause an overgrowth of candida which in turn causes acetaldehyde poisoning? Is candida the only thing in the gut that can cause fermentation byproducts?

The supplements mentioned are cheap. I think it would be worth a try to alleviate symptoms since by supporting this detox pathway, since, according to the op article, anything that attacks the phages directly just makes the situation worse.


I had the candida overgrowth first thanks to a dermatologist and way too many antibiotics. I then received a tetanus vaccine which did more damage. Ten years later I babysat and cleaned house for someone with gulf war syndrome. I was diagnosed with fibro and MPS a couple of years later.
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
Interesting info. Thank you!

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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:07 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 07:49 PM)
no fibromyalgia is not candida I specialize in candida, fibromylgia is a phage infection and can be seen under an electron microscope of stools samples in 98% of all patients

You don't think that kind of imbalance could also cause an overgrowth of candida which in turn causes acetaldehyde poisoning? Is candida the only thing in the gut that can cause fermentation byproducts?

The supplements mentioned are cheap. I think it would be worth a try to alleviate symptoms since by supporting this detox pathway, since, according to the op article, anything that attacks the phages directly just makes the situation worse.


I had the candida overgrowth first thanks to a dermatologist and way too many antibiotics. I then received a tetanus vaccine which did more damage. Ten years later I babysat and cleaned house for someone with gulf war syndrome. I was diagnosed with fibro and MPS a couple of years later.
Here is the deal, viruses feed off of bacteria so do phages if you give the wrong bacteria to a phage it will use it as food.... Catch 22 thats why probiotics are all of the sudden making many americans sick they have a phage infection.... same thing happens with antibiotics... Simple to test if you take probiotics and they make you feel better for a couple of days then you feel worse, you have a phage infection....
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:07 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 07:49 PM)
no fibromyalgia is not candida I specialize in candida, fibromylgia is a phage infection and can be seen under an electron microscope of stools samples in 98% of all patients

You don't think that kind of imbalance could also cause an overgrowth of candida which in turn causes acetaldehyde poisoning? Is candida the only thing in the gut that can cause fermentation byproducts?

The supplements mentioned are cheap. I think it would be worth a try to alleviate symptoms since by supporting this detox pathway, since, according to the op article, anything that attacks the phages directly just makes the situation worse.


I had the candida overgrowth first thanks to a dermatologist and way too many antibiotics. I then received a tetanus vaccine which did more damage. Ten years later I babysat and cleaned house for someone with gulf war syndrome. I was diagnosed with fibro and MPS a couple of years later.
Here is the deal, viruses feed off of bacteria so do phages if you give the wrong bacteria to a phage it will use it as food.... Catch 22 thats why probiotics are all of the sudden making many americans sick they have a phage infection.... same thing happens with antibiotics... Simple to test if you take probiotics and they make you feel better for a couple of days then you feel worse, you have a phage infection....

Yep. They make me worse..especially Primal Defense. Trying Garden of Life's dirt bugs was a bad, bad idea.

Still have the candida though. Black light microscopy showed it in the blood.

Turmeric helps.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:52 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 08:07 PM)
You don't think that kind of imbalance could also cause an overgrowth of candida which in turn causes acetaldehyde poisoning? Is candida the only thing in the gut that can cause fermentation byproducts?

The supplements mentioned are cheap. I think it would be worth a try to alleviate symptoms since by supporting this detox pathway, since, according to the op article, anything that attacks the phages directly just makes the situation worse.


I had the candida overgrowth first thanks to a dermatologist and way too many antibiotics. I then received a tetanus vaccine which did more damage. Ten years later I babysat and cleaned house for someone with gulf war syndrome. I was diagnosed with fibro and MPS a couple of years later.
Here is the deal, viruses feed off of bacteria so do phages if you give the wrong bacteria to a phage it will use it as food.... Catch 22 thats why probiotics are all of the sudden making many americans sick they have a phage infection.... same thing happens with antibiotics... Simple to test if you take probiotics and they make you feel better for a couple of days then you feel worse, you have a phage infection....

Yep. They make me worse..especially Primal Defense. Trying Garden of Life's dirt bugs was a bad, bad idea.

Still have the candida though. Black light microscopy showed it in the blood.

Turmeric helps.

You have a phage infection... no probiotics.. as many colon cleanses as possible, fasting is also good... try a serious two week fast a little prayer might help as well...
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HeidiLore  Wrote: (10-27-2012 06:49 PM)
I'm a bit confused here. I have fibromyalgia. What is the cause? Are you saying E. Coli? Gulf war? Gdkifmqq

Combination.Or at leat what I think.
I found my symptoms decrease or even stay away completely if I don't eat a diet laden with GMO's.Aspatame is a particularly bad trigger asis HFCS.
I tried once to get some research out on a chronic pain site and got banned for it.
The ladies there were too busy downing designer lyrica with diet cokes and didn't want to hear it I reckon.Sigh
Anyway the article opens up some new roads on what I'd researched.

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Tyche Unleashed  Wrote: (10-27-2012 09:01 PM)
HeidiLore  Wrote: (10-27-2012 06:49 PM)
I'm a bit confused here. I have fibromyalgia. What is the cause? Are you saying E. Coli? Gulf war? Gdkifmqq

Combination.Or at leat what I think.
I found my symptoms decrease or even stay away completely if I don't eat a diet laden with GMO's.Aspatame is a particularly bad trigger asis HFCS.
I tried once to get some research out on a chronic pain site and got banned for it.
The ladies there were too busy downing designer lyrica with diet cokes and didn't want to hear it I reckon.Sigh
Anyway the article opens up some new roads on what I'd researched.

Yes I agree, Especially GMO Grain fed beef and Chicken... Remember to genetically alter grain they also use Phages also known as genetic cloning vectors!
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
Tyche Unleashed  Wrote: (10-27-2012 09:01 PM)
HeidiLore  Wrote: (10-27-2012 06:49 PM)
I'm a bit confused here. I have fibromyalgia. What is the cause? Are you saying E. Coli? Gulf war? Gdkifmqq

Combination.Or at leat what I think.
I found my symptoms decrease or even stay away completely if I don't eat a diet laden with GMO's.Aspatame is a particularly bad trigger asis HFCS.
I tried once to get some research out on a chronic pain site and got banned for it.
The ladies there were too busy downing designer lyrica with diet cokes and didn't want to hear it I reckon.Sigh
Anyway the article opens up some new roads on what I'd researched.

I have dealt with IBS and various intestinal complaints all my life, so this discussion is important for me. I have noticed over the last few years that diet sodas have been aggravating female organ troubles and since Fukushima it's kicked into overtime with what feels like a good size tumor that has caused undue discomfort. Drinking diet sodas now cause an undeniable link in unpleasant effect; pain, unusual sensations, the tissues seem to become swollen or weak after ingestion. I of course have quit drinking/eating anything with aspartame although there could be other ingredients that are aggravants, but the aspartame seems the most likely culprit.

I have to say that going to a simple whole foods/nuts/fresh organic vegetable diet has helped immeasurably although I just expect constant discomfort as a way of life as the growth continues. I very rarely eat anything with table sugar in it any longer. Dessert consists of fruit juices or fruit.

It has also helped my gall bladder troubles as well. I was having frequent sharp attacks and constant dull aching, but the organ seems to be in much better shape now.

If nothing else, start slashing your dietary intake of those things you know are bad and just put aside your love of eating a overly-rich diet if you want to start towards healing. Once you've stopped stuffing yourself with sugary stuff your appetite will lessen greatly and simple foods will start tasting great.
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i've always thought it had the look of a bioweapon. they also are finding SV40 in fibro. victims. that's pretty much a dead give away that it's a weapon.
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HeidiLore  Wrote: (10-27-2012 07:24 PM)
I am sure there is SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE that I haven't tried yet...I'll keep searching.

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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (10-27-2012 07:49 PM)
no fibromyalgia is not candida I specialize in candida, fibromylgia is a phage infection and can be seen under an electron microscope of stools samples in 98% of all patients

You don't think that kind of imbalance could also cause an overgrowth of candida which in turn causes acetaldehyde poisoning? Is candida the only thing in the gut that can cause fermentation byproducts?

The supplements mentioned are cheap. I think it would be worth a try to alleviate symptoms since by supporting this detox pathway, since, according to the op article, anything that attacks the phages directly just makes the situation worse.


Quote:I had the candida overgrowth first thanks to a dermatologist and way too many antibiotics.
I then received a tetanus vaccine which did more damage. Ten years later I babysat and cleaned house for someone with gulf war syndrome. I was diagnosed with fibro and MPS a couple of years later.

What kind of symptoms do you get from a Candida overgrowth? I'm actually taking Doryx for acne now, its pretty much gone away 90% but fungal overgrowth has been in the back of my mind since I started taking it about two months ago.
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RE: Phages what a German doctor learned about fibromyalgia first brought home by gulf war
HeidiLore  Wrote: (10-27-2012 06:49 PM)
I'm a bit confused here. I have fibromyalgia. What is the cause? Are you saying E. Coli? Gulf war? Gdkifmqq

The link has a comment saying:

"Posted by: wiserd
Nov 8, 2007 Was this review helpful? Thumbs Up 13
Interesting article. But how does this square with the finding that Fibromyalgia is triggered by stress and similar to post-traumatic stress disorder or that FM involves the body's inability to produce HGH and achieve deep sleep. Is there any evidence that chronic, excessive Lipid A exposure is capable of causing these problems? "

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I had FM (diagnosed by doc and my ANA tests were high) while working at a stressful job. I took regular doses of OTC zinc and was fine.
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Try drinking a few tablespoons of Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar in an 8 oz. glass of water before you hit the sack each night.

If it doesn't help the gut situation, it will at least help other things.
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