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Something is wrong with Phobos

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Something is wrong with Phobos
THE MYSTERY OF PHOBOS:

The martian moon looks like a solid, but it's not as dense as a rocky solid should be. Some researchers think Phobos might be riddled with vast caverns; others say it is just a "rubble pile" masquerading as a solid body. To solve the mystery, Europe's Mars Express spacecraft is making a series of close Phobos-flybys this month. High-res photos could be available as early as this Wednesday. Stay tuned!
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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos.
Btw as usual nasa had to obliterate parts of this pic, can you see where?
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Mars_Express...l#subhead2

You need to open the HI-RES TIFF version to discover it, it's the darker speck exactly at 6 o'clock just below the lighter center seemingly indented area
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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
That it could be hollow is not mentioned of course ...
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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
Don't know much about Phobos but this is really interesting!
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It's interesting how the lines that appear all of the surface kinda look like framework...............

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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
off topic, but..
I like the phrase "satellite prescience" .

Quote:Jonathan Swift and the moons of Mars

Irish clergyman and social and political commentator, best known for his satirical fantasy Gulliver's Travels, originally entitled Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World in Four Parts ... by Lemuel Gulliver (1726), in which reference is made to two (then undiscovered) moons of Mars. The astronomers on the flying island of Laputia, says Gulliver, have
... discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, which revolve around Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the center of the primary exactly three of his diameters, and the outermost five: the former revolves in the space of ten hours, and the latter in twenty-one and a half.
When the two Martian moons, Phobos and Deimos, were eventually found, by Asaph Hall at the US Naval Observatory, their orbits proved to be quite similar to those described in Swift's novel. Phobos is actually 6,000 km from the surface of Mars and revolves around Mars in 7.7 hours, whereas Swift gave the values 13,600 km and 10 hours, respectively. Deimos averages 20,100 km from Mars and orbits in 30.3 hours; Swift gives 27,200 km and 21.5 hours, respectively.

Some cult literature has sprung up specifically to address how Swift could have "known" about the Martian moons and has arrived at some spectacular solutions, including the remarkable one that Swift himself was a Martian! In fact, the idea that Mars might have two satellites goes back to Johannes Kepler and a memoir he published in 1610 in which he misconstrued an anagram devised by Galileo in order to announce secretly a new discovery to his correspondents (who also included the Jesuit Fathers at the Collegio Romano). What Galileo had actually found were features connected with the planet Saturn which we now know to be its rings. His anagram was:

s m a i s m r m i l m e p o e t a l e u m i b u n e n u g t t a u i r a s

the correct solution of which was:

Altissimum planetam tergeminum observavi.
I have observed the most distant planet [Saturn] to have a triple form.

However, Kepler misconstrued the scrambled message to mean:

Salue umbistineum geminatum Martia proles.
Hail, twin companionship, children of Mars.

and assumed, therefore, that Galileo had discovered two Martian moons. Although the true meaning of the anagram became known half a century later, Kepler's mistranslation endured and, it seems, came down to Swift who may (although this is purely conjecture) have added some reasoning of his own. Since no Martian moons had been found by the early eighteeth century, then it would have been reasonable to assume that they must be very small, very close to the planet, or both. Whatever the case, Swift's fictional moons turned out to be surprisingly like their real counterparts. A more recent example of satellite prescience is Arthur C. Clarke's description of a solitary moon of Pluto in Rendezvous With Rama, made in advance of the discovery of Charon.

from:
The Internet Encyclopedia of Science
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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
Phobos Anomalies

[Image: cone_anomalies.jpg]

[Image: C_OutcropCloseupDrawing.jpg]
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ArchAngel  Wrote:
Phobos Anomalies

[Image: cone_anomalies.jpg]

[Image: C_OutcropCloseupDrawing.jpg]

Yeah hard to believe that tower is natural, I later will try to use MS paint to show an excerpt from the new pics where nasa or esa obliterated a bit area ...
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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
It's likely the same as this "moon".

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

Our moon was likely a much later/larger version of these same constructed "moons".

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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
March 10th update:
According to gravity-field data just beamed back from Mars Express, mass is not evenly distributed throughout the moon’s interior. A detailed analysis is underway by ESA researchers.

Stay tuned!
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FreeFlow  Wrote:
March 10th update:
According to gravity-field data just beamed back from Mars Express, mass is not evenly distributed throughout the moon’s interior. A detailed analysis is underway by ESA researchers.

Stay tuned!

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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
FreeFlow  Wrote:
Btw as usual nasa had to obliterate parts of this pic, can you see where?

Hardly! The composite photograph you're citing is just that -- a composite, or a mosaic, made up of a bunch of pictures with some of the "holes" filled in with earlier photos. Even so, you see a lot of blacked-out areas where the overlap wasn't quite right.

It happens in Photoshop all the time, and the stitching routines they use may be better, but they're not perfect.

Think about it: the spacecraft is moving by at a pretty good clip; its proximity to Phobos means that the subtended angle is changing by the second. So even before you can stitch the individual photographs together, you'd need to go through a pretty involved software subroutine to re-map the picture to enable it to be the right orthographic projection.

Now what was square now looks like a lozenge with curved sides and the light-and-shadow detail will be just a tad different than it was before, and this will stand out when you stitch it to another piece of the mosaic.

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RE:Something is wrong with Phobos
Some interesting Phobos links on Lost Soviet Probe Anomaly

Thanks freeflow, we will be watching what happens.

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