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The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
Astrochik
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Quote:And what nearly all the people who wrote the emails said was that they'd had terrible experiences of nursing, too. Julie (I can't, for legal reasons, supply surnames) said that she had been "on the receiving end of degrading treatment", which had left her "with a permanent dread of ever having need to enter hospital again". Keith said that he "was shocked by the attitude of the nursing staff" and still "shudders" when he drives by the hospital. Jo said that my experiences "mirrored" hers as "an expectant mother, a daughter of a very sick mother, a patient having emergency surgery and a mother of a daughter who had an accident". Sue said that she was "berated by the night nurse" for ringing her bell and "sobbed for 15 minutes with the relief of leaving the ward".

Diana watched her father "fighting for breath" and "thrashing around in blood-stained sheets" while five or six nurses "laughed and joked about their recent holidays". Caroline was told by the midwife who was meant to be helping her through labour that she was busy "eating her biscuits". Lesley woke up from her operation for breast cancer and was given a drink "reluctantly", by a nurse who wouldn't stop reading her magazine. Bronwen, who had open heart surgery, said that there were plenty of nurses "hanging around chatting, sometimes on mobile phones", but not many who seemed to want to do "their job". Denis "woke up in something akin to corrective treatment camp" where he saw "elderly confused people being threatened in quiet corners" and patients "being verbally abused". Ruth found the nurses looking after her elderly parents "disinterested, unapproachable and cross". Emily, whose husband was in intensive care for two weeks, said that the nurses seemed to have "time enough to grumble and chat", but "were too pressed to answer a patient's call".

There were a lot of emails from retired nurses. Jennifer, who spent three months in hospital after a car crash, was "shocked by the attitude of the nurses" and "left with a sense of grieving" about her profession. Maggie said she felt "angry" and "ashamed". Sheila "despaired" of the "present situation in nursing". Margaret said that she, and many of her peers, were ashamed to admit they were nurses because of "the reputation of too many unkind, selfish, disinterested and uncaring people" who should "never bear the title" of a nurse. Alison said that she had started to assess the wards her elderly mother was put on for their "level of cruelty".

Claire, a nurse who became a GP, had been "horrified" to see nursing "depart from its caring role". Penny, a consultant in a hospital, said that she often had to "spend five minutes just trying to find a nurse to inform" about the patient she'd just seen. Judy, a mental health nurse, said she was often "appalled" that "seemingly OK people could be quite so uncaring". Dominic, a GP, said that it "astonished" and "angered" him that we were spending "ever more on advanced, high-tech treatments" while "neglecting the basics".

I've had extremely limited experience with nurses, but my experience was terrible - nurses who were insensitive, self-absorbed, and flippant about the patient's (my) comfort, level of care, or whether I lived or died. I remember being wheeled in the gurney to the OR- and my loudly stated complaint to them was: "I fail to find anything about this situation that's even remotely amusing" as they were all joking and laughing amongst themselves, oblivious to the fact that I was about to have an emergency C-section, due to the fact that the doctor was worried that my baby could be DYING...

They did shut up then, but at that point, I realized I was dealing with a bunch of stupid women who didn't give a shit, so I only was praying that the surgery team was better. Thankfully, they were.
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Sunny
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RE: The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.
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I've been really contiplating this comment, but i hate to say I told you so.. being in the business of caregiving(which i just quit) My whole idea was im not doing this for the money.. and for what its worth, for alot of them it is.. sucks I know but when you have dealt with constant negitive routines it comes with the territory..
the system is taxed like you wouldnt believe and you get what you pay for, Ive met so may nurses that could a rats ass it makes me sick too. i think ill go into lawn care after this,

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only ever met one nurse that didn't hate their job. and that was a LPN.
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I have worked for local non-profit county hospital for the last five years. I work in finance but I had to start at the very bottom and claw my way up. I have seen many things here. This hospital is required by law to take EVERYONE and give them medical treatment. This can wear down a nurse and especially ER nurses! How don't know how they do it really. There must be some sort of emotional wall that has to be put up, correct? Those that can do the job and show true caring are the best of the best and u r blessed if you get them. I think the whole system is a mess and it's trickled down to the staffing.

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Astrochik
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Sunny  Wrote: (04-10-2012 05:42 PM)
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.

then the hospitals need to change them over to shorter shifts.
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Sunny  Wrote: (04-10-2012 05:42 PM)
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.

Nursing Burnout or the Lack of Compassionate people entering the Field.. Some say the $$ is not enough for the responsibility.. So you get a lesser Quality of a person in the Job..

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Astrochik
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RE: The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
JF Priest  Wrote: (04-10-2012 06:49 PM)
Sunny  Wrote: (04-10-2012 05:42 PM)
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.

Nursing Burnout or the Lack of Compassionate people entering the Field.. Some say the $$ is not enough for the responsibility.. So you get a lesser Quality of a person in the Job..

Nursing in the 20th century


Quote:...By the 1920s, nurses still earned low wages—about 50 cents an hour, Bullough said.

Nurses’ caregiving duties included giving baths, inserting catheters, administering enemas and medications, dressing wounds and sores, and generally monitoring patients’ appearance. In the early 1900s, nurses still administered leeches to treat inflammations or engorgement and relied heavily on poultices, stupes, and plasters to relieve everything from congestion to colic.

nurses today have a well-paid and access to high-tech treatments to help patients

So why do they seem to not care about the well-being of the patients? Because they chose the profession to make more money and to work three day weeks (those 14-hour days mean you work only three days a week, so you get more time off)?
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RE: The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
My wife has been an RN for 30 years (mostly in either ICU or ER, but with one year as a flight nurse) and an LPN ofr four years before that. Obviously a good portion of our friends are in the healthcare profession, and I have never seen any nurses act in such an uncaring way.

In the past six years, I have spent three stays in the hospital (all for two nights). In no case did I stay at the hosital where my wife works, nor did any of the staff even know that my wife was a nurse. I got friendly and professional care from almost all of them.

On the other hand, I have heard nurses tell horror stories about doctors and patients.

I do know that hospital nurses are under a lot of pressure, working 12 hours and being so overloaded with patients that they simply don't have time to give the patients the individual caring presence they'd like to. This does cause burnout. Three years ago, my wife quit her ($52/hr) hospital job and got a 7-3 job 3 days a week at half the pay. She says it was the smartest move she ever made.

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RE: The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
Astrochik  Wrote: (04-10-2012 06:45 PM)
Sunny  Wrote: (04-10-2012 05:42 PM)
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.

then the hospitals need to change them over to shorter shifts.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Nursing shifts have been gaining hours since the early 1990's. They're not going to cut the shifts down, because that is how they make their money, due to both the greed of the shareholders of the hospital (the doctors who work there), and due to the squeeze by the insurers and federal gubmint (medicare).

90% of healthcare is bogus; it is premeditated due to the manipulation of the environment and foodchain. Take those influences away and again 90% of all health issues evaporate; all that is left is accidental injury which surgery and wound care can handle quite adequately. The human body was designed to heal itself and does so quite easily and quite well without the outside influences thwarting the perfect design.
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Astrochik
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RE: The Nursing Crises - what's your experience?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-10-2012 07:01 PM)
Astrochik  Wrote: (04-10-2012 06:45 PM)
Sunny  Wrote: (04-10-2012 05:42 PM)
Maybe that stems from all those nursing schools around now. I have a couple of relative that went to those nursing schools.

It's just a job to them, a way to get a paycheck.

I also have a friend who is a nurse and she's on 14hr shifts. That's enough to make anyone cranky.

then the hospitals need to change them over to shorter shifts.

You really don't have a clue, do you?

Nursing shifts have been gaining hours since the early 1990's. They're not going to cut the shifts down, because that is how they make their money, due to both the greed of the shareholders of the hospital (the doctors who work there), and due to the squeeze by the insurers and federal gubmint (medicare).

90% of healthcare is bogus; it is premeditated due to the manipulation of the environment and foodchain. Take those influences away and again 90% of all health issues evaporate; all that is left is accidental injury which surgery and wound care can handle quite adequately. The human body was designed to heal itself and does so quite easily and quite well without the outside influences thwarting the perfect design.

you really are a rude AC, aren't you? Keep to the topic. When you act like an asshole, I don't even want to read the other part.

I'm not defending any part of the "conventional" (allopathic) medical system. It is corrupt to the core. It's not designed to make people well, for the most part, it is to make as much money for the doctors, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc. The nurses are a cog in the wheel of a big, ugly, shit-filled machine, but they could still have compassion, is the point here.

Many people have experienced poor care from nurses, and of course it's not ALL nurses. I've heard horrible stories about doctors, surgeons, etc, too...

It's best to keep your health by eating well and taking good care of your body. But sometimes...we end up in hospital...
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The current healthcare system, designed and controlled by conservatives who favor money over people, causes too much emphasis on saving money.

So they'll cut back on staff to the bare minimum, impose many rules/restrictions and treat the workforce like slaves. Nursing is protected a lot by unions but other areas such as information services are non-union. Non-union staff are treated worse by management because they have far less protection.

I've worked in the healthcare system for over 25 years.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-10-2012 07:53 PM)
The current healthcare system, designed and controlled by conservatives who favor money over people, causes too much emphasis on saving money.

So they'll cut back on staff to the bare minimum, impose many rules/restrictions and treat the workforce like slaves. Nursing is protected a lot by unions but other areas such as information services are non-union. Non-union staff are treated worse by management because they have far less protection.

I've worked in the healthcare system for over 25 years.

Are you an RN? I'm not saying that they're all saints by any means, but O don't think I can really make any judgements on them, not ever having been one.

BTW, my wife has never been in a union, neither in Chicago nor in Arizona. Maybe if whe were, it'd be different.

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I prefer to avoid death buildings and practice home remedies, so far so good.
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