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The True Facts On Bundy - The Most Contemptuous Rancher In The West...
Timetorun
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From what I understand he's been grazing his herd on PUBLIC LAND. Bundy has supposedly paid BLM fees which were then supposed to be used to assist the ranchers. When it became obvious that BLM was no longer performing the "services" that Bundy and others were paying for- they fired BLM and returned to doing things themselves with PRIVATE FUNDING. The feds are engaged in a hostile takeover of that land.

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Post: #17
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The feds have been cutting off huge swaths of public land in recent years restricting access to millions of acres throughout the west. Most people who live in the cities are blissfully unaware of this, but rural people are painfully aware of it. In the west its water; the new gold more than any other reason, although minerals, natural gas and oil are major players. If people are getting overwrought on this case it is a reaction to a long series of similar stories.

Keep in mind that tax payers have been paying big bucks since Roosevelt to keep and preserve national lands for the use of the people not for the benefit of the bureaucrats and their rich cronies
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Post: #18
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Timetorun  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:42 PM)
From what I understand he's been grazing his herd on PUBLIC LAND. Bundy has supposedly paid BLM fees which were then supposed to be used to assist the ranchers. When it became obvious that BLM was no longer performing the "services" that Bundy and others were paying for- they fired BLM and returned to doing things themselves with PRIVATE FUNDING. The feds are engaged in a hostile takeover of that land.

Popcorn

That's his opinion, thousands of other ranchers don't think so and continue to pay the fees...
He cant just throw the law out the window cause he feels a certain way...
he has an obligation to confront them in a court of law....
He didn't even try...
20 years they gave him...
He chose to disobey the law...
Now he will pay the consequences...
Just like all of us have to...
Jhikpghf

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I learned well from you thanks. I am humbled by your tactics!
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Who needs talking points that were generated for a shill? I don't.
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Post: #20
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:27 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:23 PM)
Wasting your time on these tards, just another circle jerk for the idiots.

Listen, you semen swallowing, bag of wind - use facts and you may be listened to. If you contnue to only jerk yourself off and spary insults at the people here...than you will have problems.

The Bundy family was using the land LONG before there was a Bureau of Land Management or any other sort of "renting" authority for the land that the Bundy's had grazed their cattle on. Only a communist/socialist believes that there is no sort of unalienable right that exists where God allows man to use land without the interferance of government!

LOL...you're a perfect example of the idiots I was refering to. YOU are the on who needs to learn some facts dummy.
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Post: #21
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:47 PM)
The feds have been cutting off huge swaths of public land in recent years restricting access to millions of acres throughout the west. Most people who live in the cities are blissfully unaware of this, but rural people are painfully aware of it. In the west its water; the new gold more than any other reason, although minerals, natural gas and oil are major players. If people are getting overwrought on this case it is a reaction to a long series of similar stories.

Keep in mind that tax payers have been paying big bucks since Roosevelt to keep and preserve national lands for the use of the people not for the benefit of the bureaucrats and their rich cronies

Then get an attorney and go to court...
I agree with you in some manner...
But a lawful society is to protect us all...
If we allow people to just bail like this then confront others with death threats we have done nothing but gone backwards as a society... Similar to the wild west....

Falling down wrote;
To: AKA #1
You are a very good teacher.
I learned well from you thanks. I am humbled by your tactics!
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Bond, James Bond
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Post: #22
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^1^ you really do have a grandiose opinion of your LOP value.There's already a pinned thread on this topic and you could've posted your POV there instead of starting a new thread with your POV. Check your inflated ego at the door next time.
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Post: #23
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^1^  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:52 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:47 PM)
The feds have been cutting off huge swaths of public land in recent years restricting access to millions of acres throughout the west. Most people who live in the cities are blissfully unaware of this, but rural people are painfully aware of it. In the west its water; the new gold more than any other reason, although minerals, natural gas and oil are major players. If people are getting overwrought on this case it is a reaction to a long series of similar stories.

Keep in mind that tax payers have been paying big bucks since Roosevelt to keep and preserve national lands for the use of the people not for the benefit of the bureaucrats and their rich cronies

Then get an attorney and go to court...
I agree with you in some manner...
But a lawful society is to protect us all...
If we allow people to just bail like this then confront others with death threats we have done nothing but gone backwards as a society... Similar to the wild west....

There are some pertinent facts in the pinned thread. You should read it.
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Post: #24
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:27 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:23 PM)
Wasting your time on these tards, just another circle jerk for the idiots.

Listen, you semen swallowing, bag of wind - use facts and you may be listened to. If you contnue to only jerk yourself off and spary insults at the people here...than you will have problems.

The Bundy family was using the land LONG before there was a Bureau of Land Management or any other sort of "renting" authority for the land that the Bundy's had grazed their cattle on. Only a communist/socialist believes that there is no sort of unalienable right that exists where God allows man to use land without the interferance of government!

So when can I move onto your land then? God says I can... He told me so...
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Post: #25
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Bond, James Bond  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:57 PM)
^1^ you really do have a grandiose opinion of your LOP value.There's already a pinned thread on this topic and you could've posted your POV there instead of starting a new thread with your POV. Check your inflated ego at the door next time.

I always aspire to do better everyday...
I will never be perfect....
But I don't have to consider myself as just mediocre...
You see my aspirations as ego...
I see it as what drives my daily trials and tribulations...
If you choose to just lay down and be equal, that's fine with me...
But when you look up, that will be me stepping over you and continuing to grow and become better...
Jhikpghf

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To: AKA #1
You are a very good teacher.
I learned well from you thanks. I am humbled by your tactics!
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Post: #26
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Bond, James Bond  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:57 PM)
^1^ you really do have a grandiose opinion of your LOP value.There's already a pinned thread on this topic and you could've posted your POV there instead of starting a new thread with your POV. Check your inflated ego at the door next time.

It would have got swallowed up in that massive circle jerk. It's good to see seperate thread with some facts instead of knee jerk bullshit.
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Post: #27
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Fees? Thought it was about a tortoise?
Oh wait, once it was pointed out, that the cattle and Desert Tortoise have been co-existing without any problems,
then the 'story' changes to 'Unpaid-Fees'.

And people blindly swallow that excuse.

It is all about the 'Sustainable-Development' facet of Agenda~21 {If you don't know where I'm coming from, do some research.},
and making some cash, by selling the 'pre-promised', seized land to Fracking companies.

And let us not overlook the underlying battle: Individual & State Rights, vrs D.C.

BTW, when will Governor Sandoval make a public statement about BLM-Snipers targeting an American Family?

Makes one wonder... Is he a 'Public-Servant', or a 'Corporate-Servant'?
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Post: #28
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 03:00 PM)
^1^  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:52 PM)
Then get an attorney and go to court...
I agree with you in some manner...
But a lawful society is to protect us all...
If we allow people to just bail like this then confront others with death threats we have done nothing but gone backwards as a society... Similar to the wild west....

There are some pertinent facts in the pinned thread. You should read it.

These are the pertinent facts, that thread is for the give me crew, you owe me people...
The title of that thread show the true colors of its intent...
The title here actually provides a true sense of the situation...
I prefer the latter...
Jhikpghf

Falling down wrote;
To: AKA #1
You are a very good teacher.
I learned well from you thanks. I am humbled by your tactics!
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Post: #29
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^1^  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:52 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-11-2014 02:47 PM)
The feds have been cutting off huge swaths of public land in recent years restricting access to millions of acres throughout the west. Most people who live in the cities are blissfully unaware of this, but rural people are painfully aware of it. In the west its water; the new gold more than any other reason, although minerals, natural gas and oil are major players. If people are getting overwrought on this case it is a reaction to a long series of similar stories.

Keep in mind that tax payers have been paying big bucks since Roosevelt to keep and preserve national lands for the use of the people not for the benefit of the bureaucrats and their rich cronies

Then get an attorney and go to court...
I agree with you in some manner...
But a lawful society is to protect us all...
If we allow people to just bail like this then confront others with death threats we have done nothing but gone backwards as a society... Similar to the wild west....
On paper that is exactly what you should do. Certainly most people have been raised to believe in the rule of law. This is also true of the majority of people in the west, with the exception of california, who tend to be conservative politically. However, the court here have tended to favor current the blm, forest service and water brokers as well as oil companies in recent years. This case is in no way a precedent. I would list cases as examples, but I 'm on a smart phone and linking in a pain. All one need do if you really are interested in why this is such a touchy situation is to do a few advance searches on water, mineral rights disputes on public lands.
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Post: #30
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the government is bad

fat pricks who take advantage and get fat and rich are also bad

make the two fight and divide the people up on either side

only stupid people get involved in such a thing
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