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Oroville Dam Leaking Again
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 06:25 PM)
you flucking ignorant morons!

There is 1 inch REBAR 6 inches on center in the face of that
5ft thick UBER-ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH concrete wall. A Boeing
747 couldn't break that dam.
Heh, Sounds like a spokesman from the Army Corps of Engineers.

Remember, this dam was built by the lowest bidders with the cheapest materials in "the most cost efficient" way. Then repaired in a hurry with materials that were immediately available. Instead of doing a complete repair, they just patched what was there & called it good.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?????
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 06:25 PM)
you flucking ignorant morons!

There is 1 inch REBAR 6 inches on center in the face of that
5ft thick UBER-ULTRA HIGH STRENGTH concrete wall. A Boeing
747 couldn't break that dam.
Heh, Sounds like a spokesman from the Army Corps of Engineers.

Remember, this dam was built by the lowest bidders with the cheapest materials in "the most cost efficient" way. Then repaired in a hurry with materials that were immediately available. Instead of doing a complete repair, they just patched what was there & called it good.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?????

It's complex, they probably realize it's unsafe and needs extensive maintenance perhaps reconstruction of entire parts of the embankment.

But to do so would require them drawing down the reservoir very low, losing all that water storage. And, they've mis-managed their water resources so poorly that would cause farmers and businesses to be without water.

This is all because politicians ignored dealing with reality for 40 years, and instead spent money on welfare, salaries, pensions and lots of benefits.

Worst case scenario, the dam fails they lose all the water, people die, houses are destroyed and mobs come looking for politicians with torches and pitchforks.

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Choosing the cheapest contractor is not always a good idea.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:00 PM)
Choosing the cheapest contractor is not always a good idea.

Kiewit isn't the cheapest contractor.
They are one of the best in the world.
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Bet it fails before mid summer.
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The only real fix is to drain the dam and put a fully concrete dam in front of it to block the leakage. It would cost far more than it would be worth. But that is the ONLY way to stop leakage in a leaky Earthen dam. Here is what Oroville dam is facing:

"Seepage Failures
All earth dams leak to some extent and this is known as seepage. This is the result of water moving slowly through the embankment and/or percolating slowly through the dam's foundation. This is normal and usually not a problem with most earthen dams if measures are taken to control movement of water through and under the dam. If uncontrolled, seepage can progressively erode soil from the embankment or its foundation, resulting in failure of the dam. Typically, erosion of embankment soil begins at the downstream side of the dam and progressively works toward the reservoir eventually developing a path to the reservoir which is referred to as "piping." Piping action can be recognized by an increased seepage flow rate, the discharge of muddy or discolored water, sinkholes on or near the embankment, and possibly a whirlpool at the surface of the reservoir. Once a whirlpool (eddy) is ovserved, failure of the dam may follow. As with overtopping, fully developed piping is virtually impossible to control and will likely cause failure.

Seepage can also cause dam failure by saturating the embankment, thus weakening the dam, or by increasing internal pressure within the embankment. Saturation and internal pressure within the dam are difficult to determine without proper instrumentation."

https://damsafety.org/dam-owners/earth-dam-failures

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:13 PM)
Bet it fails before mid summer.

Send in Larry Silverstein to "pull it".
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (04-29-2019 06:56 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 06:52 PM)
Heh, Sounds like a spokesman from the Army Corps of Engineers.

Remember, this dam was built by the lowest bidders with the cheapest materials in "the most cost efficient" way. Then repaired in a hurry with materials that were immediately available. Instead of doing a complete repair, they just patched what was there & called it good.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?????

It's complex, they probably realize it's unsafe and needs extensive maintenance perhaps reconstruction of entire parts of the embankment.

But to do so would require them drawing down the reservoir very low, losing all that water storage. And, they've mis-managed their water resources so poorly that would cause farmers and businesses to be without water.

This is all because politicians ignored dealing with reality for 40 years, and instead spent money on welfare, salaries, pensions and lots of benefits.

Worst case scenario, the dam fails they lose all the water, people die, houses are destroyed and mobs come looking for politicians with torches and pitchforks.

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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 05:23 PM)
Is Oroville dam going to fail AGAIN? This article notes it is leaking in the same places it did in the last failure under the spillway:

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March 18, 2019
Complete failure at Oroville Dam
By Chriss Street
The $1.1 billion spent to repair Oroville Dam is failing as water is seeping through the rebuilt spillway threatens new mass evacuations over the risk of the dam collapsing.

According to national dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, Oroville Dam is on the same failure track as in 2017, with visible water seepage trickling from the foot of the dam and dozens of points along the dam's principal spillway. Cahill warns that warming temperatures magnified by precipitation is a growing threat to the dam.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

for me no access to "americanthinker" ...

at the moment i say : BS

PLEASE present visible/accessible PICS ... !

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44575  Wrote: (04-02-2019 01:00 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-02-2019 12:52 AM)
Depending on how much water comes down, it may last a while, then the whole dam fail. That is what I see.

the dam itself is not in danger - but an untested spillway repair maybe

for me it sounds not as "repair is ready" ...:

To prepare for the spillway’s use, water officials are removing construction equipment from the area and taking out a temporary road below the spillway.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m...story.html

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-119614...pid2109652
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RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:28 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 05:23 PM)
Is Oroville dam going to fail AGAIN? This article notes it is leaking in the same places it did in the last failure under the spillway:

[Image: 212599_5_.png]

March 18, 2019
Complete failure at Oroville Dam
By Chriss Street
The $1.1 billion spent to repair Oroville Dam is failing as water is seeping through the rebuilt spillway threatens new mass evacuations over the risk of the dam collapsing.

According to national dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, Oroville Dam is on the same failure track as in 2017, with visible water seepage trickling from the foot of the dam and dozens of points along the dam's principal spillway. Cahill warns that warming temperatures magnified by precipitation is a growing threat to the dam.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

for me no access to "americanthinker" ...

at the moment i say : BS

PLEASE present visible/accessible PICS ... !

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44575  Wrote: (04-02-2019 01:00 AM)
the dam itself is not in danger - but an untested spillway repair maybe

for me it sounds not as "repair is ready" ...:

To prepare for the spillway’s use, water officials are removing construction equipment from the area and taking out a temporary road below the spillway.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m...story.html

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-119614...pid2109652

I don't know how you get around EU censorship. American thinker is a conservative news and opinion site, nothing controversial I would say.

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Just going to be the same thing that happened to the Teton Dam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teton_Dam
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:00 PM)
Choosing the cheapest contractor is not always a good idea.

they hire illegals.
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Post: #29
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The underlying rock is fractured--
much like the State--itself.

This is just lipstick on a pig--it's only a matter of when it will fail.
50 years or 5 days--no telling.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:32 PM)
Just going to be the same thing that happened to the Teton Dam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teton_Dam

[Image: Teton_Dam_Sequence_13.jpg]

If this were to happen at Oroville the evacuation area would be massive. When the evacuation took place in 2017 after the spillway failed it took several days to a week to complete evacuation of the at risk people downstream. In the Teton dam case there was very little time to act as the initial leak widened very quickly into failure. If I could give any advice to those living downstream from Oroville it would be to watch the dam carefully in the weeks to come because the dam is almost at capacity, the most dangerous time. A warm spring storm could bring torrents of water into the dam from the record snowpacks. Here is a site that records the height of the water behind the dam:
http://oroville.lakesonline.com/Level/

Here is a Spillway cam for current views of the spillway. The spillway has now been used for several days as a test but we don't know when it will be used again:

http://www.parks.ca.gov/live/lakeorovillesra_spillway

If you go to this link you can see some water coming down the spillway right now.

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