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Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans
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RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
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44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:57 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:32 PM)
I don't know how you get around EU censorship. American thinker is a conservative news and opinion site, nothing controversial I would say.

hmmm, seriously, i have to ask WHY is an article from a BLOG (!) , dated "March 18, 2019" six weeks later pinned, 29. April, on LOP ???

UNpin this schitt ! - or present actual pics from NEWS sources ...

You don't have to take the opinion of the dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, mentioned as the source in the American Thinker article, the US Government agency in charge of examining dams ALSO has problems with the dam:

"The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's after-action 537-page Independent Forensic Team Report found:

"The Oroville Dam spillway incident was caused by a long-term systemic failure of the California Department of Water Resources (DWR), regulatory, and general industry practices to recognize and address inherent spillway design and construction weaknesses, poor bedrock quality, and deteriorated service spillway chute conditions."


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

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Post: #47
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:38 PM)
44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:57 PM)
hmmm, seriously, i have to ask WHY is an article from a BLOG (!) , dated "March 18, 2019" six weeks later pinned, 29. April, on LOP ???

UNpin this schitt ! - or present actual pics from NEWS sources ...

You don't have to take the opinion of the dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, mentioned as the source in the American Thinker article, the US Government agency in charge of examining dams ALSO has problems with the dam:

"The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's after-action 537-page Independent Forensic Team Report found:

"The Oroville Dam spillway incident was caused by a long-term systemic failure of the California Department of Water Resources (DWR), regulatory, and general industry practices to recognize and address inherent spillway design and construction weaknesses, poor bedrock quality, and deteriorated service spillway chute conditions."


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

YES oroville has bigly problems ahead - but its not the dam itself !

its a eventual newly eroding main spillway (if in massiv use) - AND the BIG question mark: EMERGENCY spillway.

in 2017 i wrote : watch the parking lot (at the end of E. Spillway) - the part left side of the blue marking :

from 2017 :

[Image: oroville-why-no-collapse-metabunk-jpg.24429]

https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-sp...ure.t8381/

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... calculate the number of the beast = 500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1

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Post: #48
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:19 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:16 PM)
Less than 20' to go before we see what will happen.
It's going up about 2' per day.
So May 5 looks like doom day.
No way that thing can handle over 20,000 cfs.

So however long letting it dribble out will buy them.

If it worked right--they would be using it right now.

44575 is right, the emergency spillway can't operate until the water level in the reservoir rises to it's crest elevation.

Are they having problems with the regular spillway/outlet works?

The issue is the leakage underneath the recently completed main spillway. The leaks can be seen coming through the concrete in the photo in the OP. We don't have any information on the emergency spillway but the main spillway has been and IS being used right now. Here is a cam of it and you can plainly see water coming NOT FROM THE TOP, but from beneath the spillway emerging a spots on the right side of the spillway. THAT IS NOT GOOD!

http://www.parks.ca.gov/live/lakeorovillesra_spillway

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Post: #49
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
from https://www.redding.com/story/news/local...078848002/

Water is starting to seep down the rebuilt Oroville Dam spillway.

California Department of Water Resources officials said Wednesday this is common and will not affect the operation of the dam's gates, which are not watertight.

“Once the lake reaches or exceeds the elevation of the entrance gates (813 feet) a small amount of water is expected to seep through the gates as they are not watertight,” water resources spokeswoman Erin Mellon said. “This is common and does not affect the operation of the gates nor the spillway.”

DWR in its latest update posted Tuesday it does not anticipate using the reconstructed main spillway in the coming days.

However, state officials said the spillway may have to be utilized later this year.

If the main spillway needs to be used to manage lake levels and flood control for surrounding communities, it will be able to handle flows, state officials said, noting it has been rebuilt.
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RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:51 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:38 PM)
You don't have to take the opinion of the dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, mentioned as the source in the American Thinker article, the US Government agency in charge of examining dams ALSO has problems with the dam:

"The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission's after-action 537-page Independent Forensic Team Report found:

"The Oroville Dam spillway incident was caused by a long-term systemic failure of the California Department of Water Resources (DWR), regulatory, and general industry practices to recognize and address inherent spillway design and construction weaknesses, poor bedrock quality, and deteriorated service spillway chute conditions."


https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

YES oroville has bigly problems ahead - but its not the dam itself !

its a eventual newly eroding main spillway (if in massiv use) - AND the BIG question mark: EMERGENCY spillway.

in 2017 i wrote : watch the parking lot (at the end of E. Spillway) - the part left side of the blue marking :

from 2017 :

[Image: oroville-why-no-collapse-metabunk-jpg.24429]

https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-sp...ure.t8381/
I disagree that the dam itself is not a problem. The leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam. That water is coming from the reservoir ALL THE WAY through the dam itself. This is a problem of leakage through the dam. BAD NEWS.

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Post: #51
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:53 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:19 PM)
44575 is right, the emergency spillway can't operate until the water level in the reservoir rises to it's crest elevation.

Are they having problems with the regular spillway/outlet works?

The issue is the leakage underneath the recently completed main spillway. The leaks can be seen coming through the concrete in the photo in the OP. We don't have any information on the emergency spillway but the main spillway has been and IS being used right now. Here is a cam of it and you can plainly see water coming NOT FROM THE TOP, but from beneath the spillway emerging a spots on the right side of the spillway. THAT IS NOT GOOD!

http://www.parks.ca.gov/live/lakeorovillesra_spillway

yes but its not a doom szenario ! it will destroy / erode the spillway like in 2017 ..


INDEPENDENT FORENSIC TEAM REPORT OROVILLE DAM SPILLWAY INCIDENT , 34,3 MB (36.067.449 Bytes) :
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documen...-05-18.pdf

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Post: #52
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:53 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:19 PM)
44575 is right, the emergency spillway can't operate until the water level in the reservoir rises to it's crest elevation.

Are they having problems with the regular spillway/outlet works?

The issue is the leakage underneath the recently completed main spillway. The leaks can be seen coming through the concrete in the photo in the OP. We don't have any information on the emergency spillway but the main spillway has been and IS being used right now. Here is a cam of it and you can plainly see water coming NOT FROM THE TOP, but from beneath the spillway emerging a spots on the right side of the spillway. THAT IS NOT GOOD!

http://www.parks.ca.gov/live/lakeorovillesra_spillway

When they ran it at 25,000 cfs a couple weeks ago, it set up harmonic vibrations in the spillway. It was supposed to handle 200,000 cfs--so there is definitely a problem sometime in the future. Inflows have currently been around 20,000 recently, so they shouldn't have to run it a lot--so maybe they want to test the emergency spillway a little bit to see if it works right.
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Post: #53
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:57 PM)
44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:51 PM)
YES oroville has bigly problems ahead - but its not the dam itself !

its a eventual newly eroding main spillway (if in massiv use) - AND the BIG question mark: EMERGENCY spillway.

in 2017 i wrote : watch the parking lot (at the end of E. Spillway) - the part left side of the blue marking :

from 2017 :

[Image: oroville-why-no-collapse-metabunk-jpg.24429]

https://www.metabunk.org/oroville-dam-sp...ure.t8381/
I disagree that the dam itself is not a problem. The leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam. That water is coming from the reservoir ALL THE WAY through the dam itself. This is a problem of leakage through the dam. BAD NEWS.

BAD NEWS ??? ha ha - where, which MSM ?

PLEASE link it - i see nothingburger news ...

at the moment all is speculating over a 6 week old blog article !

UNPIN it !

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Post: #54
RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans wrote:
>>I disagree that the dam itself is not a problem. The leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam. That water is coming from the reservoir ALL THE WAY through the dam itself. This is a problem of leakage through the dam. BAD NEWS.<<

then please show the fotos of "leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam" !

[Image: 33309743yh.jpg]
... calculate the number of the beast = 500 + 100 + 50 + 10 + 5 + 1

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RE: Oroville Dam Leaking Again
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 08:57 PM)
I disagree that the dam itself is not a problem. The leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam. That water is coming from the reservoir ALL THE WAY through the dam itself. This is a problem of leakage through the dam. BAD NEWS.

Well, it's about 2000cfs coming from the doors since they are not watertight.
They have dams up at the top shunting it over to the left side and they are doing work on some places. But mud coming out the drains and more water coming out than should be, shows you may be correct. Which is all the more reason they should be running it and lowering the water level. The dams upstream are also full and will have to dump into the Feather River soon. You don't want the lake to be full when they do that.
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44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 07:28 PM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (04-29-2019 05:23 PM)
Is Oroville dam going to fail AGAIN? This article notes it is leaking in the same places it did in the last failure under the spillway:

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March 18, 2019
Complete failure at Oroville Dam
By Chriss Street
The $1.1 billion spent to repair Oroville Dam is failing as water is seeping through the rebuilt spillway threatens new mass evacuations over the risk of the dam collapsing.

According to national dam expert Scott Cahill of Watershed Services of Ohio, Oroville Dam is on the same failure track as in 2017, with visible water seepage trickling from the foot of the dam and dozens of points along the dam's principal spillway. Cahill warns that warming temperatures magnified by precipitation is a growing threat to the dam.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201...e_dam.html

for me no access to "americanthinker" ...

at the moment i say : BS

PLEASE present visible/accessible PICS ... !

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44575  Wrote: (04-02-2019 01:00 AM)
the dam itself is not in danger - but an untested spillway repair maybe

for me it sounds not as "repair is ready" ...:

To prepare for the spillway’s use, water officials are removing construction equipment from the area and taking out a temporary road below the spillway.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m...story.html

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-119614...pid2109652

I have great respect for 44575, that being said you put up a thread on Oroville dam that quoted the exact same link to the American Thinker. I read your thread and it was very good, lots of good information and links. I certainly hope you are right and the integrity of the dam will hold. Coming up is the total filling of the dam, only about 25 feet to go. I don't believe they will test the emergency spillway, but we will see.

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-119614-page-3.html




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44575  Wrote: (04-29-2019 09:07 PM)
Natura Naturans wrote:
>>I disagree that the dam itself is not a problem. The leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam. That water is coming from the reservoir ALL THE WAY through the dam itself. This is a problem of leakage through the dam. BAD NEWS.<<

then please show the fotos of "leaks in the main spillway indicate seepage THROUGH the dam" !

Water seeps through all dams, but the design of the dam is meant to control where the water seeps or flows. A properly designed and constructed earth embankment dam allows the water surface to drain out the bottom through filters before the water can reach the outside face of the dam.

If those graded regions inside the dam get plugged up with silt or clay, then the water surface rises over time and eventually discharges on the outside face of the dam. That rises the water pressure in the pores of the earth inside the embankment and can cause piping of material (erosion) eventually leading to failure.

A-K-B in this figure is a properly operating dam.

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I hope it holds. A dam break would be a major disaster not only for the Valley, but for the world, as California produces so much of it's food.
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countdown to dam doom
http://cdec.water.ca.gov/dynamicapp/QueryF?s=ORO

Whos got May 3 in the pool?
It's been a disaster significant date.
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