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Trump May Pardon US Soldiers Accused Or Convicted Of War Crimes – NYT's
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Eldog Wilbury  Wrote: (05-19-2019 06:12 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-19-2019 06:04 PM)
You're welcome to debate...or just blabber incoherent bullshit like you always do...it's your choice

Its a simple question ...obviously way above your paygrade...perhaps the accused were wrongly convicted by a liberal minded court who have sympathy for the enemy..

So liberals are JAG and running the military ?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:23 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-19-2019 05:28 PM)
Trump is becoming more and more like Hitler every month. Pardoning war crimes and mass murderers of innocent civilians and for committing atrocities that go against all of the international treaties the US has signed onto, only signals that the next wave of war crimes and atrocities is also going to be pardoned. That allows the most depraved and demented criminals to believe they have full permission to rape, murder and torture whomever they want to and then get away with it.

This is what happens in despotic dictatorships and fascistic states. Nobody should want a military to be full of thugs that go on kill sprees and decide who is a target, and face no accountability for their in-humane actions.

5* and thank you so much for posting on how depraved Trump is becoming.

you ain’t see nutttttin yet freakO

wait until the red team has a reason to take off the kids gloves.

big red cock will be shoved down your mouth every time you open it without permission

I assume you mean the Russians/Putin that Trump is so cozy with and who he bends over for?

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Eldog Wilbury  Wrote: (05-19-2019 06:38 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (05-19-2019 06:33 PM)
So now the military courts just have to be filled with sympathetic Liberals.Rofl

Pathetic and desperate reasoning trying to defend your daddy.

I did not say filled but most assuredly infiltrated.
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He Man  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:43 PM)
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you ain’t see nutttttin yet freakO

wait until the red team has a reason to take off the kids gloves.

big red cock will be shoved down your mouth every time you open it without permission

I assume you mean the Russians/Putin that Trump is so cozy with and who he bends over for?

You seem to know a lot about bending over for things. Trump has done nothing but his best damage Russia and the Russian people aith sanctions. Trump continues to increase military hardware and personnel near Russia borders. You must have o bend over to speak.
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He Man  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:43 PM)
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you ain’t see nutttttin yet freakO

wait until the red team has a reason to take off the kids gloves.

big red cock will be shoved down your mouth every time you open it without permission

I assume you mean the Russians/Putin that Trump is so cozy with and who he bends over for?
Trump's been tougher on Russia, than any administration has, since Reagan.
After the OIG report is released, and, it shows that OBAMA, CLINTON , and the DNC colluded with Russia, are you going to admit you were wrong, & apologise to the President & his supporters? I doubt it. It's called "projecting" and, we know how the left, swear by their beloved Alinsky, " Accuse your opponent, of what you are guilty of".
And, not only did they collude with Russia, but, China too. Me thinks, in the coming weeks & months, you will be consuming ALOT of crow.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:11 PM)
Speaking of War Crimes and Genocide:

Eisenhower's Death Camps - The last dirty secret of World War Two:

https://rense.com/general96/Eisenhower-death-camps.pdf

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-19-2019 05:44 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (05-19-2019 05:43 PM)
You're welcome and I went to post this on your Trump thread when he pardoned the other convicted soldier and it had been closed.


For our country and all the honorable soldiers who have served or are serving I hope this is not true.

Sadly it is, and his degenerate base is just a clapping....
No, you are badly mistaken.
Military discipline demands that these pieces of sh*t should have been executed by hanging.
On this Trump is wrong.
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NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (05-19-2019 06:53 PM)
As egregious as these incidents are they didn't occur in a moral or ethical vacuum.

The responsibility for war crimes begins with the leaders of the country.

Of course, you won't find them facing a military court or the ICC.

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The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (05-19-2019 08:30 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (05-19-2019 07:27 PM)
Trump just loves his "Seals" no matter what they do.
This is an ongoing military prosecution ...will Trump pardon these four?
By the American Green Baret who was killed being a minority may just work in their favor knowing Trump.



Attorney: SEAL to accept plea deal in Green Beret's death
Source: AP

NORFOLK, Va. — A U.S. Navy SEAL is expected to formally accept a plea deal on Thursday for his role in the 2017 strangulation death of a U.S. Army Green Beret in Africa.

Navy SEAL Adam Matthews is one for four U.S. service members charged with murder and related counts in the death of Army Staff Sergeant Logan Melgar, a Texas native.

The five men were stationed in the African country of Mali. Charging documents describe a situation in which some of the nation's most elite military personnel — including two members of the famed SEAL Team Six — broke into Melgar's bedroom while he was sleeping, bound him with duct tape and put him into a choke hold.

A special court martial hearing for Matthews is scheduled for Thursday at Naval Station Norfolk in Virginia. It could offer new details about what happened that night. Publicly released charging documents have not revealed a specific motive.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/att...li=BBnb7Kz
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Hazing is any action taken or any situation created intentionally that causes embarrassment, harassment or ridicule and risks emotional and/or physical harm to members of a group or team, whether new or not, regardless of the person's willingness to participate.-quote.

This guy was damn luck to have the prosecutors agree to a hazing charge, one other of the 4 charged are in plea negotiations.

I don't consider what they did to this soldier that caused his death as good ole' boy hazing.

A SEAL and a Marine Raider seek plea deals in Green Beret murder case

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"Marine Raiders facing murder charges had deeper involvement in Green Beret’s death than previously reported"
Four special operators face the same charges related to the death, but one of the defendants has been identified as having held the Army staff sergeant in the chokehold that killed him.


"While some details differ, at this point all four men face the same charges: felony murder, involuntary manslaughter, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, hazing and burglary

For months, statements from Matthews and DeDolph revealed a limited picture of what might have happened in the early morning hours of June 4, 2017, in the off-site housing shared by the SEALs and Melgar.

The troops were in the country on a mission supporting Malian and French counterterrorism units fighting al-Qaida factions in the region.

Initial media reports of the Raider involvement seemed to limit their role to potential witnesses to the incident. But the charge sheets allege a deeper level of involvement.

Shortly after the incident became public, accounts of shifting stories by the SEALs to both Army and Navy investigators raised questions about how Melgar died.

The investigation began with Army Criminal Investigation Command, which later handed it off to Navy Criminal Investigative Service on Sept. 24, 2017.

The SEALs first told investigators that they found Melgar unconscious and tried to revive him. They later changed their stories and said they were conducting hand-to-hand combat training with Melgar in the residence, and that Melgar was drunk and passed out when they tried to revive him.

When toxicology reports revealed no alcohol or drugs in Melgar’s system and friends told investigators that the staff sergeant didn’t drink alcohol, investigators became more suspicious.

The two later changed their story again, saying that they had ambushed Melgar in his room over a perceived slight when he failed to stop and give them a ride to a party. A witness told investigators that one of the SEALs said he wanted to “get back” at Melgar for the incident.

But they left out what was later alleged, that two Marine Raiders were also in the room and helped restrain Melgar before one of the SEALs put him in a chokehold, leading to his death by strangulation.

The SEALs did tell investigators they tried to resuscitate Melgar first through CPR then via a field expedient tracheotomy or a cricothyrotomy. But investigators later saw that differently.

They have included the medical procedure was part of an obstruction of justice charge against the same SEAL accused of choking Melgar, saying he performed the act to “hide evidence of the injuries inflicted” on Melgar, according to the charge sheet"

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-...rder-case/

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The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (05-19-2019 07:47 PM)
it won´t be long before crimes comitted against u.s. citizens by soldiers will also be pardoned,

it is setting a precedent,

this is where it all leads to,

complete chaos,

no one will be safe...no one...

Trump is just following Netenyahu's playbook, Israeli soldiers are almost never charged with crimes against Palestinians.

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Mungo  Wrote: (05-19-2019 08:29 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (05-19-2019 04:51 PM)
Trump's Pardon of a Soldier is an "Endorsement of a Murder"

The ACLU condemned Trump for pardoning a soldier convicted of murdering an Iraqi prisoner.



"In 2009, Army Ranger Michael Behenna was convicted of unpremeditated murder by a military court. Behenna was ordered to transport prisoner Ali Mansur back to his village but, instead, he drove Mansur to a secluded location, stripped him naked for an unauthorized interrogation, and then shot him to death.

Behenna claimed he acted in self-defense but according to court documents he told fellow soldiers "he would do it again, and he did not feel bad about it because he just lost two guys." And, on Monday, Donald Trump pardoned him. Behenna's 25 year sentence had already been reduced to 15 years, and, in 2014, he was released on parole. In a statement, Sarah Huckabee Sanders called Behenna "entirely deserving of this Grant of Executive Clemency."

The director of the American Civil Liberties Union's National Security Project called the pardon "a presidential endorsement of a murder that violated the military’s own code of justice. Trump, as Commander-in-Chief, and top military leaders should prevent war crimes, not endorse or excuse them."

During his time in office, Trump's selection for presidential pardons has been explicitly political. This includes Dinesh D'Souza, the hyper-partisan conservative activist who was convicted after he knowingly made illegal campaign contributions in 2012. Then there's the Hammonds, ranchers whose arson conviction inspired the month-long, armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. And Trump's first pardon as president is probably the most egregious, granting clemency to former sheriff Joe Arpaio after he defied a federal judges orders. Arpaio openly bragged about forcing suspected undocumented immigrants into open-air "concentration camps" and the conditions in his jails were so abhorrent that a staggering number of prisoners killed themselves there. There's a good chance Trump selected D'Souza and Arpaio himself since they're both very vocal cheerleaders of his."

https://www.gq.com/story/trumps-pardon

Don't know about the Hammonds. They might be innocent and just used as involuntarily participants in a psyop. But Cliven Bundy is played by Tboone Pickens. Finicum is played by Ed Harris. The woman arrested is Patty Hearst. And the Oregonian is a Hearst newspaper deeply involved in this mind fk of the people.
wellaware1.com exposed them in a video that has been taken down then taken down again. Someone doesn't want that video on the net.
wellaware1 is constantly being taken down. He is in the process of replacing many of those videos recently taken down by Vimeo. He used Vimio after YouTube destroyed his work five times. But if the video isn't there try later as he restores his site. Be sure to catch who sheriff Arpio really is.
I'm just showing you that your examples suck.

wellaware1 is taken down due to its claims being even too bat-sh*t crazy for the crazy loons to accept as any kind of truth and for whatever TOS he violated.
Nothing like his claims when he posts 2 photos side by side, one a famous person the other a criminal and claims they are one and the same.

2 strikes against you, Apairo and Ed Chiarini.Rofl
Joe Apairo is an evil racist POS, a disgrace to AZ and cost their citizens about 50 million in lawsuit settlements for prisoner's deaths, physical abuse, racial profiling etc.

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Isabella  Wrote: (05-19-2019 11:49 PM)
The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (05-19-2019 07:47 PM)
it won´t be long before crimes comitted against u.s. citizens by soldiers will also be pardoned,

it is setting a precedent,

this is where it all leads to,

complete chaos,

no one will be safe...no one...

Trump is just following Netenyahu's playbook, Israeli soldiers are almost never charged with crimes against Palestinians.

When IDF are cinvicted of murder they are fined like a penny, so have to stay over jight in a jail. Killing Gentiles is less than killing a dog.
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He Man  Wrote: (05-19-2019 08:46 PM)
The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (05-19-2019 07:47 PM)
it won´t be long before crimes comitted against u.s. citizens by soldiers will also be pardoned,

it is setting a precedent,

this is where it all leads to,

complete chaos,

no one will be safe...no one...

Like Putin's army in Chechnya, completely sanctioned atrocities. Scream1

That is what Trump is hoping for but there are many more moral and incorruptible police and military that hate his guts and see what a phony lying POS Trump is.

Jhikpghf


You shouldn't be surprised to learn the US had a hand in the Chechan shitshow, so spare us the hypocrisy.



The Chechens' American friends

The Washington neocons' commitment to the war on terror evaporates in Chechnya, whose cause they have made their own
John Laughland, 8 Sep 2004 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/s...usa.russia

Chechnya, the CIA and Terrorism
Michael S. Rozeff , April 26, 2015 https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/che...terrorism/

Boston Bombers: Role of CIA in Chechen Terror
By Kurt Nimmo, April 22, 2013 https://www.globalresearch.ca/boston-bom...or/5332386
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The ghost of capn´crunch  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:07 PM)
so check this out,

trump is goin to pardon a seal for playing a joke on a green beret,

that ended up in the death of the green beret,

you can not make this chitt up!

how dare you even try!

but that is what you get when you elect a sociopath into office,

no morals or ethics whatsoever....none, zilch, nada....

didn´t he say he admires lil kim?

the fat midget that murdered all of his immediate family so they could not get in the way of his powergrab?

We don't know all who were recommended to Trump by some so-called Patriot organisation and politicians for pardons.
The case you're referring to is in progress and I posted it here mainly because it was an American soldier who was killed by American soldiers which isn't the first in recent years.

So far we've only heard of him possibly pardoning Americans who were found guilty or being prosecuted for killing foreigners.

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:59 PM)
He Man  Wrote: (05-19-2019 10:43 PM)
I assume you mean the Russians/Putin that Trump is so cozy with and who he bends over for?
Trump's been tougher on Russia, than any administration has, since Reagan.
After the OIG report is released, and, it shows that OBAMA, CLINTON , and the DNC colluded with Russia, are you going to admit you were wrong, & apologise to the President & his supporters? I doubt it. It's called "projecting" and, we know how the left, swear by their beloved Alinsky, " Accuse your opponent, of what you are guilty of".
And, not only did they collude with Russia, but, China too. Me thinks, in the coming weeks & months, you will be consuming ALOT of crow.

It's the Trump admin that has been tougher on Russia then Trump who caved to some sanctions yet just last Dec he lifted sanctions on these guys.

' Trump lifts sanctions on firms linked to Russian oligarch Oleg "
Democrats in Congress opposed move to lift restrictions
Deripaska is ally of Russian president Vladimir Putin



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/j...ska-russia

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