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Trump May Pardon US Soldiers Accused Or Convicted Of War Crimes – NYT's
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America didn't sign the International War Crimes Treaty...
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Looks like there will be plenty more opportunities for pardons.


Both Saudi Arabia and the United States Are Probably Guilty of War Crimes in Yemen

The Saudi coalition deliberately targets civilians with US weapons—and US officials have known this for years.

By Mohamad Bazzi, May 17, 2019


On August 9 of last year, warplanes from a Saudi-led coalition bombed a school bus near a market in the northern Yemeni town of Dahyan, killing 54 people, 44 of them children. After interviewing more than a dozen witnesses and survivors, Human Rights Watch called the attack an “apparent war crime” because “there was no evident military target in the market at the time.” The munition used by the Saudis was supplied by the United States—a 500-pound laser-guided bomb made by Lockheed Martin.

As it has done repeatedly when its air strikes kill civilians, the Saudi coalition at first insisted that it had attacked a legitimate military target. On August 11, Saudi Arabia’s mission to the United Nations claimed that the strike had “targeted Houthi leaders who were responsible for recruiting and training young children, and then sending them to battlefields.” It did not provide evidence to support these claims. Finally, after growing international condemnation, on September 1, the Saudis acknowledged that the attack was unjustified and vowed to “hold those who committed mistakes” accountable... https://www.thenation.com/article/war-cr...bia-yemen/
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America is a nation of war criminals and history will remember it..
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NormalIsSubjective  Wrote: (05-21-2019 12:15 AM)
Looks like there will be plenty more opportunities for pardons.


Both Saudi Arabia and the United States Are Probably Guilty of War Crimes in Yemen

The Saudi coalition deliberately targets civilians with US weapons—and US officials have known this for years.

By Mohamad Bazzi, May 17, 2019


On August 9 of last year, warplanes from a Saudi-led coalition bombed a school bus near a market in the northern Yemeni town of Dahyan, killing 54 people, 44 of them children. After interviewing more than a dozen witnesses and survivors, Human Rights Watch called the attack an “apparent war crime” because “there was no evident military target in the market at the time.” The munition used by the Saudis was supplied by the United States—a 500-pound laser-guided bomb made by Lockheed Martin.

As it has done repeatedly when its air strikes kill civilians, the Saudi coalition at first insisted that it had attacked a legitimate military target. On August 11, Saudi Arabia’s mission to the United Nations claimed that the strike had “targeted Houthi leaders who were responsible for recruiting and training young children, and then sending them to battlefields.” It did not provide evidence to support these claims. Finally, after growing international condemnation, on September 1, the Saudis acknowledged that the attack was unjustified and vowed to “hold those who committed mistakes” accountable... https://www.thenation.com/article/war-cr...bia-yemen/

Never miss a good opportunity, eh?


Lawyer for Navy SEAL accused of war crimes also works for Trump Organization
Source: CNN

Lawyer for Navy SEAL accused of war crimes also works for Trump Organization

By Zachary Cohen, CNN

Updated 7:00 AM ET, Fri May 24, 2019

Washington (CNN) -- An attorney for Navy SEAL chief Edward "Eddie" Gallagher also represents the Trump Organization, CNN has learned, just days after reports surfaced indicating the President is considering pardoning Gallagher of charges that could constitute war crimes.

Gallagher faces a slew of accusations connected to violations of military law while he was deployed to the Iraqi city of Mosul in 2017, including premeditated murder in the stabbing death of an injured person in Iraq. He has pleaded not guilty.

Trump Organization lawyer Marc Mukasey started working on the case in recent months, according to sources familiar with the situation.
Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik, a former business partner of Trump ally and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, also is helping with Gallagher's case. Kerik, who once served three years in federal prison for charges including tax fraud and lying to officials, was nominated as homeland security secretary by President George W. Bush but withdrew from consideration due to potential tax violations.

He has regularly appeared on Fox News as a surrogate for the President.
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Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/24/politics/...index.html


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An attorney for Navy SEAL chief Edward "Eddie" Gallagher also represents the Trump Organization just days after reports surfaced indicating the President is considering pardoning Gallagher of charges that could constitute war crimes.

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One of Trump’s Attorneys Also Represents the Accused War Criminal He Might Pardon

By Ben Mathis-Lilley
May 23, 20196:12 PM


" Over the weekend, the New York Times reported that Donald Trump is considering a preemptive pardon for a Navy SEAL named Edward Gallagher, who has been charged in military court with murdering a captive and shooting two unarmed civilians. This week, meanwhile, a judge ruled against Trump in a lawsuit, which he’s filed as a private citizen, that seeks to prevent Deutsche Bank and Capital One from turning over his financial records to congressional investigators.

As it turns out, the same lawyer—Marc Mukasey, son of former Attorney General Michael Mukasey—is working on both cases. On Wednesday, as the military-affairs site Task and Purpose reported, he was even working on them at the same time:

Appearing via telephone, Mukasey — a longtime law partner of Rudy Giuliani and the son of a former attorney general for President George W. Bush — had to drop from the Gallagher hearing after about 15 minutes since it conflicted with court proceedings in New York related to the release of Trump’s banking records.

“I’m a trial lawyer,” Mukasey told Task & Purpose in a phone interview. “I represent the president in court and I represent Eddie Gallagher in court.”

This seems like … a bit of a conflict of interest for … someone? At the least, it’s a reminder that Trump does not have a stellar record of enforcing ethical boundaries involving his relationships with lawyers:

According to federal prosecutors, he directed former personal attorney Michael Cohen to carry out an illegal hush-payment scheme during the 2016 election; the Mueller report documents his effort, as president, to get former White House Counsel Don McGahn to end the special counsel’s Russia investigation (and, later, to get McGahn to deny that Trump had done so); the report also includes descriptions of contacts between Trump’s personal attorneys and individuals like Cohen, Paul Manafort, and Michael Flynn that could conceivably constitute witness tampering; and on Monday we learned that Cohen told lawmakers that Trump attorney Jay Sekulow encouraged him to lie to Congress about the dates the Russia Trump Tower project was being considered. This latest episode seems like another opportunity for presidential malfeasance.




According to professor David Luban of Georgetown Law, though, there’s nothing technically wrong with the Trump-Gallagher-Mukasey arrangement. Luban says that while the situation “smells horrible” and raises the possibility that individuals seeking pardons from Trump could essentially use his personal attorneys as their lobbyists, there don’t appear to be any specific ethical rules forbidding it. Said Luban: “If the president was a judge, he would have to recuse himself from the Gallagher case because his impartiality could reasonably be questioned. But there is no requirement that presidential pardon power be wielded impartially. Nothing except political backlash would prevent the president from pardoning his own family members if they got into legal trouble.”

(There could be post-hoc remedies in cases of abuse: Other experts have argued that a president could be prosecuted if he used his pardon powers with intent to obstruct justice or as the reward for a bribe, and Congress could vote to impeach"



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Trump's amoral plan is more like it.



Trump Indicates He May Revisit Pardoning Accused War Criminals After Stinging Attacks
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May 25, 2019

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"Donald Trump indicated Friday that he may take some extra time to consider his perplexing plan to pardon accused war criminals for Memorial Day.

The idea — heavily touted by Fox News — was to pardon certain servicemen either convicted or charged with war crimes Trump told reporters outside the White House that the idea has turned out to be a “little bit controversial.”

Former military officials have spoken out strongly against the plan, and veterans tweeted numerous angry comments, saying that pardoning war criminals denigrates service by members of the military who have acted with honor.

“Some of these soldiers are people that have fought hard, long,” Trump told reporters, referring to accused war criminals, as he left for a trip to Japan. “We teach them how to be great fighters, and then when they fight, sometimes they get really treated very unfairly.”

So “we’re going to take a look at it,” he added. “I haven’t done anything yet. I haven’t made any decisions. There’s two or three of them right now. It’s a little bit controversial.”

As for members of the military who haven’t yet been tried on war crime charges, he said it’s “very possible that I’ll let the trials go on, and I’ll make my decision after the trial.”

One of the men Trump is considering pardoning is Navy SEAL Edward “Eddie” Gallagher, who is charged with firing on civilians and fatally stabbing a captured, unarmed teenage ISIS fighter in Iraq in 2017. Seven members of Gallagher’s team reported his behavior, and he allegedly threatened them for speaking out. His trial is scheduled to begin Monday at the Naval base in San Diego, and his fellow SEALs are scheduled to testify against him, according to the Navy Times.

Others who may be up for a pardon include a former Blackwater security contractor who was found guilty of shooting dozens of unarmed Iraqis, and Maj. Mathew Golsteynan, an Army Green Beret accused of killing an unarmed Afghan in 2010.

Several lawmakers have harshly criticized Trump’s pardon plan. And top former military officials have warned that pardons could encourage lawless behavior and sabotage order and command vital to protecting the safety of civilians and U.S. service members"


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https://worldindependant.com/trump-indic...g-attacks/

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Gallagher's trial begins tomorrow.



Legal Team for Accused War Criminal Just Happens to Include a Trump Lawyer
by Elura Nanos | 10:53 am, May 24th, 2019

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"Former special operations chief Navy SEAL Edward Gallagher is set for trial on May 28;

he’s charged with shooting civilians, including a school-age girl, and knifing to death a captured ISIS fighter receiving medical treatment in Iraq in 2017

Gallagher was ultimately reported by his own platoon, and faces 12 counts including murder, attempted murder, and obstruction of justice for allegedly attempting to intimidate troops reporting his crimes.

He faces life in prison for his crimes."



https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/leg...mp-lawyer/

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I guess the NYT is insinuating, that President Trump shouldn't pardon individuals wrongly convicted of crimes, because that will somehow project, that the President's judgement is wrong?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-27-2019 07:37 PM)
I guess the NYT is insinuating, that President Trump shouldn't pardon individuals wrongly convicted of crimes, because that will somehow project, that the President's judgement is wrong?

So you're claiming that these soldiers were wrongly convicted or charged by the military and we should all rely on Trump's judgement to set us straight and set these soldiers free from their convictions and/or their upcoming trials? Rofl

btw, the NYT's broke the story,Trump then said he is considering pardoning some soldiers and we had the all too familiar rerun of Trump once again walking back his claims because there was BACKLASH from the military and non-military using his power to pardon for political purposes and trying to usurp our military courts..along with the danger it would present to our soldiers in combat from an enemy and insulting the moral integrity of all of our soldiers who abide by military laws and conduct.

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Christ, what an asshole.

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BlackCat  Wrote: (05-27-2019 08:04 PM)
Christ, what an asshole.

No truer words were spoken about Trump then in that anonymous NYTs letter saying that Trump is "amoral".

amoral adjective
amor·​al | \ (ˌ)ā-ˈmȯr-əl
, (ˌ)a-, -ˈmär-\
Definition of amoral

1a : having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong amoral politicians an amoral, selfish person
b : being neither moral nor immoral specifically : lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply

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Isabella  Wrote: (05-27-2019 08:38 PM)
BlackCat  Wrote: (05-27-2019 08:04 PM)
Christ, what an asshole.

No truer words were spoken about Trump then in that anonymous NYTs letter saying that Trump is "amoral".

amoral adjective
amor·​al | \ (ˌ)ā-ˈmȯr-əl
, (ˌ)a-, -ˈmär-\
Definition of amoral

1a : having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong amoral politicians an amoral, selfish person
b : being neither moral nor immoral specifically : lying outside the sphere to which moral judgments apply

Good idea to weaponize that cultures can have different opinions. Well done.
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Your own won't be as forgiving.
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