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CO2 lags Temperature On All Time Scales
Natura Naturans
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CO2 lags Temperature On All Time Scales
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by Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., P.Eng., June 2019

ABSTRACT

Global warming alarmism, which falsely assumes that increasing atmospheric CO2 causes catastrophic global warming, is disproved – essentially, it assumes that the future is causing the past. In reality, atmospheric CO2 changes lag global temperature changes at all measured time scales.

Nino34 Area Sea Surface Temperature changes, then tropical humidity changes, then atmospheric temperature changes, then CO2 changes.

The velocity dCO2/dt changes ~contemporaneously with global temperature changes and CO2 changes occur ~9 months later (MacRae 2008).

The process that causes the ~9-month average lag of CO2 changes after temperature changes is hypothesized and supported by observations.

The ~9-month lag, +/- several months, averages 1/4 of the full-period duration of the variable global temperature cycle, which averages ~3 years.

Based on the above observations, global temperatures drive atmospheric CO2 concentrations much more than CO2 drives temperature.

Climate sensitivity to increasing atmospheric CO2 must be very low, less than ~1C/(2*CO2) and probably much less.

There will be no catastrophic warming and no significant increase in chaotic weather due to increasing CO2 concentrations.

Increasing atmospheric CO2 clearly causes significantly improved crop yields, and may cause minor, beneficial global warming.

Atmospheric CO2 is not alarmingly high, it is too low for optimal plant growth and alarmingly low for the survival of carbon-based terrestrial life.

Other factors such as fossil fuel combustion, deforestation, etc may also increase atmospheric CO2. The increase of CO2 is clearly beneficial.

“Green energy” schemes are not green and produce little useful (dispatchable) energy, primarily because of the fatal flaw of intermittency.

There is no widely-available, cost-effective means of solving the flaw of intermittency in grid-connected wind and solar power generation.

Electric grids have been destabilized, electricity costs have soared and Excess Winter Deaths have increased due to green energy schemes.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/15/c...-energy-2/

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Big Oil Shill has spoken !

All Hell Big Spam !
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that was SHILLTASTIC Balkpqbp


Don't spend your $3.50 all at once, shill
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MY PLANTS DEMAND MORE CO2!!

you f*cking morons better not interfere with that sh*t.
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The co2 has to be so high it clogs all your f*cking worthless machinery and air and sh*t, destroying not only your infrastructure and causing direct asphyxiation because FUCKOFF.
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you want your grand kids and great grand kids living in a world of filthy, polluted disease and dead animals? what kind of future do you want to leave them?

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Uppity Me  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:38 AM)
you want your grand kids and great grand kids living in a world of filthy, polluted disease and dead animals? what kind of future do you want to leave them?

Let's ask Bayer?!?!?
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Historically CO2 lags temperature.

We are doing an experiment by having it lead temperature.

The problem is we don't have enough good data over a long enough period to determine how much is natural cycles (mostly ocean influence), how much is solar influence, how much is greenhouse gas influence, etc.

The warming for a doubling of CO2 (2X) is somewhere between 0.38 C and 0.64 C.

That isn't a lot.

And it isn't nothing.

It is much less than the IPCC value of 3 C.

And we will never reach the 560 PPM doubling of CO2 (2X) value.

If it is worth spending trillions to stop an insignificant amount of warming is really debatable.

Now - if the temperature drops 0.3C to where there has been no warming for about 20-25 years - it is time to start charging climate scientists with fraud.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:44 AM)
Historically CO2 lags temperature.

We are doing an experiment by having it lead temperature.

The problem is we don't have enough good data over a long enough period to determine how much is natural cycles (mostly ocean influence), how much is solar influence, how much is greenhouse gas influence, etc.

The warming for a doubling of CO2 (2X) is somewhere between 0.38 C and 0.64 C.

That isn't a lot.

And it isn't nothing.

It is much less than the IPCC value of 3 C.

And we will never reach the 560 PPM doubling of CO2 (2X) value.

If it is worth spending trillions to stop an insignificant amount of warming is really debatable.

Now - if the temperature drops 0.3C to where there has been no warming for about 20-25 years - it is time to start charging climate scientists with fraud.

It's gonna be super rad dude, there's gonna be like the strangest mutant sh*t growing out of sewers and dumps and sh*t and it is TOTALLY going to f*#k society as we know it up1 Wojhhoo1!
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Somebody should let Venus know the good news. It doesn't have to be a smoldering hellhole anymore!
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I see you upgraded your avatar from Professor Snape to Baphomet. With all your false propheting it must be tough to find enough time to worship Satan.

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DontCare  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:46 AM)
Somebody should let Venus know the good news. It doesn't have to be a smoldering hellhole anymore!

Well...

Venus isn't a good example of anything.

The TOA of earth (255k point where incoming energy equals outgoing energy or what should be its black body temperature) is about 5.1 km.

Lapse rate is 6.5 K/km. 5.1*6.5+255 = 288.1K which is the average surface temperature.

The TOA on Venus (black body temperature 327.5 K) is somewhere around 50 km. The lapse rate is about 8 K/km. 327.5+8*50 = 727.5 K which is pretty close to the real temperature.

CO2 is heavier and has a higher lapse rate.

Since the atmosphere (93 times earth pressure at the surface) has a high sulfur content and absorbs most incoming light (less than 20 W/m2 reaches the surface), the high temperature at the surface is mostly the result of a high TOA.

The lapse rate is a result of the ideal gas law.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:45 AM)
It's gonna be super rad dude, there's gonna be like the strangest mutant sh*t growing out of sewers and dumps and sh*t and it is TOTALLY going to f*#k society as we know it up1 Wojhhoo1!
the morlocks will probably be cool tho

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-16-2019 03:03 AM)
DontCare  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:46 AM)
Somebody should let Venus know the good news. It doesn't have to be a smoldering hellhole anymore!

Well...

Venus isn't a good example of anything.

The TOA of earth (255k point where incoming energy equals outgoing energy or what should be its black body temperature) is about 5.1 km.

Lapse rate is 6.5 K/km. 5.1*6.5+255 = 288.1K which is the average surface temperature.

The TOA on Venus (black body temperature 327.5 K) is somewhere around 50 km. The lapse rate is about 8 K/km. 327.5+8*50 = 727.5 K which is pretty close to the real temperature.

CO2 is heavier and has a higher lapse rate.

Since the atmosphere (93 times earth pressure at the surface) has a high sulfur content and absorbs most incoming light (less than 20 W/m2 reaches the surface), the high temperature at the surface is mostly the result of a high TOA.

The lapse rate is a result of the ideal gas law.

Your ass still can't survive there.....so yea, it IS a good example
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DontCare  Wrote: (06-16-2019 12:46 AM)
Somebody should let Venus know the good news. It doesn't have to be a smoldering hellhole anymore!

All greenhouse gas models fail to explain the surface temperature of Venus.

When you stare into a mirror and nobody is there, you will know the reflection has become self aware.
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