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Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Norseman
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-17-2019 02:27 PM)
Quote:Any change makes me apprehensive, even if it offers the greatest promise of improving my condition, and I am persuaded by this natural instinct of mine that I must take heed if I wish that the threads which the Fates spin so thin and weak in my case to be spun to any length. My great thanks, to my well-wishers and friends, who think so kindly of me as to undertake my welfare, but at the same time a most humble request to protect me in my current condition from any disturbance

You seem pretty clever.. why face off, a philosopher against a political theorist and poet and an Attila which is a bit ambiguous.. I can only place the 'Hun' political strategist/warlord as your reference there..

Kant would be my favorite of the 3.. as you can probably guess
but Dante comes a close second.. he was one of the originators of his field but again why do you think Kant messed up his sh!t?

btw can you elaborate on 'witch doctors'

Where we finally found a place beyond witchcraft with the Renaissance, Kant took us back to a psudo-dark age by proclaiming that we had no longer the power to feel free in our own consciousnesses, because he thought like the present day elitists, and did not trust our love for art and free speech and love and the ability to exercise our freedom.
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11-17-2019 03:16 PM

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Post: #32
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Quantum experiments don't exist according to objective reality.

If it can't be proven by repeatable experimentation then it is not science.

They don't do experiments anymore, they do press releases.

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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ
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11-17-2019 03:28 PM

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Post: #33
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Norseman  Wrote: (11-17-2019 02:45 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-17-2019 02:27 PM)
You seem pretty clever.. why face off, a philosopher against a political theorist and poet and an Attila which is a bit ambiguous.. I can only place the 'Hun' political strategist/warlord as your reference there..

Kant would be my favorite of the 3.. as you can probably guess
but Dante comes a close second.. he was one of the originators of his field but again why do you think Kant messed up his sh!t?

btw can you elaborate on 'witch doctors'

Where we finally found a place beyond witchcraft with the Renaissance, Kant took us back to a psudo-dark age by proclaiming that we had no longer the power to feel free in our own consciousnesses, because he thought like the present day elitists, and did not trust our love for art and free speech and love and the ability to exercise our freedom.

Th sounds more like your interpretation of what Kant wrote about.. I am not getting that from him and you strolled off course down some sort of slippery slope by linking him to 'elitists' .. is that because you are anti-democracy and Kant influence is often cited, along with Thomas Paine and other greats, around the political science/history of the creation of modern forms of constitutional democracies?
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11-17-2019 03:34 PM

 




Post: #34
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-17-2019 03:28 PM)
Norseman  Wrote: (11-17-2019 02:45 PM)
Where we finally found a place beyond witchcraft with the Renaissance, Kant took us back to a psudo-dark age by proclaiming that we had no longer the power to feel free in our own consciousnesses, because he thought like the present day elitists, and did not trust our love for art and free speech and love and the ability to exercise our freedom.

Th sounds more like your interpretation of what Kant wrote about.. I am not getting that from him and you strolled off course down some sort of slippery slope by linking him to 'elitists' .. is that because you are anti-democracy and Kant influence is often cited, along with Thomas Paine and other greats, around the political science/history of the creation of modern forms of constitutional democracies?

You are so wrong about me, or our you wrong about Kant? It is not about my misunderstanding or inability to reason. It is precisely Kant's inability to reason that I bring this philosophy about.
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spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
So ,if I am so wrong.. about 'not you' but what you were saying about Kant via your perceptions ,show me where he is irrational.. I am no expert on the man and I can't read your mind... why do you connect him to 'elitism'.. you might change my mind about him.
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-17-2019 02:32 PM)
Pinguu  Wrote: (11-17-2019 01:50 PM)
So basically everyone is right about everything because everything is subjective...Sounds about right for the snowflake, globalist, libtardian, wanker generations
So...every generation atleast since Religion came into play because they fight over what is up and what is down. But since its every generation it means that its normal so they are not wanker generations :D

Well from what i see they are...To me they seem like spoilt children trying to change reality to suit their selfish over indulged individualism.

Everything I've ever told you, including this, is a lie.
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
This thread is gravitating me towards the Gestalt principle. Especially its use in the visual arts.

Finding common patterns is what people do...

https://www.designmantic.com/blog/infogr...hierarchy/
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:32 PM)
This thread is gravitating me towards the Gestalt principle. Especially its use in the visual arts.

Finding common patterns is what people do...

https://www.designmantic.com/blog/infogr...hierarchy/


This was my first impression as well.. in a way I think I could say this supports the idea of incarnations/focus personalities .
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:45 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:32 PM)
This thread is gravitating me towards the Gestalt principle. Especially its use in the visual arts.

Finding common patterns is what people do...

https://www.designmantic.com/blog/infogr...hierarchy/


This was my first impression as well.. in a way I think I could say this supports the idea of incarnations/focus personalities .

I could agree with that.
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gmorning RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
This is a generation of lies where "scientists" just make things up
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Norseman  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:49 PM)
spɹɐʍoɔ snoɯʎuouɐ  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:45 PM)
This was my first impression as well.. in a way I think I could say this supports the idea of incarnations/focus personalities .

I could agree with that.

Magnetic Focus Points? Or nets gathering incarnations and sorting them into specific categories for further perusal and analysis.

Maybe even like quantum 'alchemy' ..

IDK...

Maybe it needs new terms and definitions to articulate...

Maybe quantum means what our collective imagination can actually see and if we pay attention we can create something meaningful with it.
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Post: #42
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-17-2019 10:38 AM)
Yes reality is belief, alot of people already knew that. 2 people can have different beliefs thus different facts.

Sooo, what your saying is, the earth couuuuld, be flat? chuckle

“The only thing constant is change.”

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http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-11057.html
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11-17-2019 07:27 PM

 




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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
daersoulkeeper  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:51 PM)
This is a generation of lies where "scientists" just make things up
OMG
NOT "scientists" just make things up
But media using "scientists" for fooling you.
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RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
ben  Wrote: (11-17-2019 07:27 PM)
daersoulkeeper  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:51 PM)
This is a generation of lies where "scientists" just make things up
OMG
NOT "scientists" just make things up
But media using "scientists" for fooling you.

There are many types of evidence to consider when presenting an argument. Which type of evidence is more appropriate to include? Statistics and data gathering are good for evidence. But, in order to use data it has to be put into a context for others to understand. There is no abstract evidence; context is key.

The three types of evidence:

Narrative - is evidence presented in a story format. Story telling has always been part of human existence. The narrative paradigm helps people interpret information and to persuade them of its veracity. Stories help manage impressions and perceptions. The goal is to obtain an emotional connection and response to the subject at hand. Capturing the moral of a story tends to convince people of the veracity of an argument. A coherent story provides a connection to an audience.

Empirical - is a system of thought that relies on observation and experiments in order to generate a claim. It focuses on details from the past to form a claim about the present. This is another reason why history is important. Investigators and detectives always look into the history of a case to look for empirical data to present a case of thought. Well collected empirical evidence reduces the role of speculation for the audience. It's rigorous and transparent in method and should be able to be replicated by others. Showing multiple sources of data always strengthens an argument. Shepherding for precedents is a standard tactic used by lawyers when presenting their arguments to the court.

Statistics alone may have the power to persuade but they do not argue a case. The big question is what decision should be made based on the facts on hand. Many different conclusions can be drawn from statistical facts. Statistics alone DO NOT argue. They present observations and trends. A broader argument is required to use statistics effectively in deliberation. Personal anecdotes and stories based on individual experience are powerful combinations of narrative argument and the empirical paradigm. It's difficult to deny another of their own experience in a given subject. Personal experience can provide a creative way to connect controversy to the audience.

Authoritative - Human beings cherish expertise in a particular field. An authoritative expert always holds weight when presenting knowledge in a field of endeavor. Defining authority isn't an easy thing to do. One persons authority is another persons bane. Reputation is usually based on a societal marker for expertise. A lawyer takes the bar, a doctor must go through rigorous testing and keep up to date with the knowledge base, advanced degrees in scientific study are all marks of expertise. Even the institutions that granted degrees in expertise are part of this authoritative nature. Some schools are better than others. Experience also plays a part as an authority. The better an authority can present its credentials the more an audience will trust it. Authority reduces the messiness of decision making by giving more latitude to expert opinion.

But...

Yes, the inevitable But...

The best decision makers never rely on authority alone. Strong authority can be used by both sides of any controversy. Preparation and research go a long way in presenting a debate on an issue. An audience does respond to those who present a wide ranging knowledge of a given subject. Building credibility by citing authorities and demonstrating examples goes a long way in convincing others towards a general opinion and leads them into the decision making phase. The key in this is to use the narrative and empirical forms of evidence in combination when presenting an argument.

The value of authority itself can also be questioned by which type of authority holds true precedence in a controversial argument. Religious, philosophical, political, and scientific authority can and often do clash with one another for dominance in the decision making process.
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11-17-2019 07:40 PM

 




Post: #45
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
ben  Wrote: (11-17-2019 07:27 PM)
daersoulkeeper  Wrote: (11-17-2019 04:51 PM)
This is a generation of lies where "scientists" just make things up
OMG
NOT "scientists" just make things up
But media using "scientists" for fooling you.



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