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Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Яudis
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Post: #121
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
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I Dispute your claims, as bad science.
You are a Shyster and a ConMan!
chuckle Rofl
Reality is not Objective, but rather Subjective to the perspective of each individual.
You Create Your Own Reality From Your Perspective of What You Think it should be.
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Unincorporated Human
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Post: #122
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Яudis  Wrote: (11-19-2019 04:54 PM)
I Dispute your claims, as bad science.
You are a Shyster and a ConMan!
chuckle Rofl
Reality is not Objective, but rather Subjective to the perspective of each individual.
You Create Your Own Reality From Your Perspective of What You Think it should be.

No, you have it backwards, reality is what exists in reality. When a person is unable to see reality as it is, that is called delusion.

Beliefs are subjective. Reality is objective.

In the same way that people cannot have their own facts or their own truth, they also cannot have their own reality.

If a person believes something that is false is true or something is factual when it is not, then that person is simply incorrect or straight up delusional.

2+2 will always equal 4 in reality no matter what any one believes to the contrary.

If someone believes that they are Napoleon or Abraham Lincoln, they are not creating their own reality, they are creating their own delusion.

I fear not pain nor death, my only fear is living without honor.
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Post: #123
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Well, for those interested in black holes and fractal geometries... they probably thought that I had something like this in mind:

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Frac...g3_4041576

However... not exactly.

The problem with that kind of spherical fractal geometry is that points at different levels of granularity will overlap.

That is, if you imagine that same sphere increasing its size 2 times, without changing the "size" of the fractal pattern on it (which is mathematically equivalent to increasing the fractal granularity by a factor of 2 while not increasing the sphere's size), then all the points at the "corners" of the fractal pattern (the seed) will overlap at those two granularities.

What I actually had in mind was (probably, as I just skimmed the title of the paper) closer to this:

Variable Granularity Space Filling Curve for Indexing Multidimensional Data
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...ional_Data

In the case of the black hole model I'm working with, this 'variable granularity' would take the form of (the only one I could find, but there may, jut possibly, be more):

a) Assume that space has a cubic structure, i.e. points (actually, knots would be a more correct term) of space are located at the centers of the sides of a cube. Since cube has 6 sides, that means that 6 points will form the seed of the fractal pattern.

[the reason a) is assumed is because we're trying to pack those points onto the surface of an expanding sphere (black hole), and this particular fractal pattern, described below, starts with 6 points as its seed]

b) Start at any point on the sphere (point #1), and follow these rules to determine where the next point is located (remember, all movements are done on the spherical surface):
b.1) Turn right and move by 90 degrees (point #2),
b.2) Turn left and move by 90 degrees (point #3),
b.3) Turn right and move by 90 degrees (point #4),
b.4) Turn left and move by 90 degrees (point #5)
b.5) Turn right and move by 90 degrees (point #6)
b.6) And this is where the trick that makes this (variable-granularity) fractal work comes into focus. Because, if you tried to follow the right-left pattern of turning and moving by 90 degrees, you'd end up at the point #1... and that is not what we want here. We want to avoid any and all overlapping of points as we pack more and more of them (as the sphere expands), and that is why we are going to...
Turn left and move by 45 degrees,
b.7) Turn right and move by 45 degrees,
... etc...

Keep repeating the right-left pattern of movement by 45 degrees until your final move is about to take you back to a point you've already visited. At that moment, half the angle size, and keep repeating the movements again until you encounter a previously visited point (again), then half the angle once again, and just keep on moving all over the sphere, repeating this fractal pattern... for all eternity (or however large the sphere gets)... without overlapping any two points at any moment, and with all the points of 3D space being nicely packed onto a 2D surface... close to each others in both frames of reference, but... not exactly next to each other on the sphere. More like... slightly "garbled up" (that is, interleaved)... Hey, just like on a hologram!

If I got this whole packing process right (and it becomes truly impossible to picture it in one's imagination beyond the first 6 points, at least without any help from a computer simulation), you should end up with the whole "interior" space (all the points that used to be "inside" the sphere) perfectly packed on its surface.

Of interesting note here is the fact that connections (paths) between the points play no role in the packing process, since they can be abstracted away as belonging to a higher dimensional "space" (or, ultimately, to an infinitely divisible, or a dimensionless one).

The only thing of importance in an N-dimensional space are its points (or knots), and not the actual connections between them.

P.S.
It's quite possible I've made a mistake or two while explaining the packing process, but you've undoubtedly got the general idea of how it should work.
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Post: #124
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Unincorporated Human  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:25 PM)
Яudis  Wrote: (11-19-2019 04:54 PM)
I Dispute your claims, as bad science.
You are a Shyster and a ConMan!
chuckle Rofl
Reality is not Objective, but rather Subjective to the perspective of each individual.
You Create Your Own Reality From Your Perspective of What You Think it should be.

No, you have it backwards, reality is what exists in reality. When a person is unable to see reality as it is, that is called delusion.

Beliefs are subjective. Reality is objective.

In the same way that people cannot have their own facts or their own truth, they also cannot have their own reality.

If a person believes something that is false is true or something is factual when it is not, then that person is simply incorrect or straight up delusional.

2+2 will always equal 4 in reality no matter what any one believes to the contrary.

If someone believes that they are Napoleon or Abraham Lincoln, they are not creating their own reality, they are creating their own delusion.
Shyster, ConMan, Blasphemer!
Reality is what I say It Is!
I Create My Own Reality.
As Does Each Individual.

Who are you to presume that you can impose
your perceived version of reality on me or anyone else.

Commonly held belief of what reality is,
"Is Just What the Majority of People Agree Reality Is"

But, when the Majority Becomes Insane,
then Insanity Becomes the New Normal Reality!
And Its the Sane Person that Is perceived to be Insane!

"The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether"
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Post: #125
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Яudis  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:42 PM)
Unincorporated Human  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:25 PM)
No, you have it backwards, reality is what exists in reality. When a person is unable to see reality as it is, that is called delusion.

Beliefs are subjective. Reality is objective.

In the same way that people cannot have their own facts or their own truth, they also cannot have their own reality.

If a person believes something that is false is true or something is factual when it is not, then that person is simply incorrect or straight up delusional.

2+2 will always equal 4 in reality no matter what any one believes to the contrary.

If someone believes that they are Napoleon or Abraham Lincoln, they are not creating their own reality, they are creating their own delusion.
Shyster, ConMan, Blasphemer!
Reality is what I say It Is!
I Create My Own Reality.
As Does Each Individual.

Who are you to presume that you can impose
your perceived version of reality on me or anyone else.

Commonly held belief of what reality is,
"Is Just What the Majority of People Agree Reality Is"

But, when the Majority Becomes Insane,
then Insanity Becomes the New Normal Reality!
And Its the Sane Person that Is perceived to be Insane!

"The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether"

Gotcha.
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Post: #126
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Яudis  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:42 PM)
Unincorporated Human  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:25 PM)
No, you have it backwards, reality is what exists in reality. When a person is unable to see reality as it is, that is called delusion.

Beliefs are subjective. Reality is objective.

In the same way that people cannot have their own facts or their own truth, they also cannot have their own reality.

If a person believes something that is false is true or something is factual when it is not, then that person is simply incorrect or straight up delusional.

2+2 will always equal 4 in reality no matter what any one believes to the contrary.

If someone believes that they are Napoleon or Abraham Lincoln, they are not creating their own reality, they are creating their own delusion.
Shyster, ConMan, Blasphemer!
Reality is what I say It Is!
I Create My Own Reality.
As Does Each Individual.

Who are you to presume that you can impose
your perceived version of reality on me or anyone else.

Commonly held belief of what reality is,
"Is Just What the Majority of People Agree Reality Is"

But, when the Majority Becomes Insane,
then Insanity Becomes the New Normal Reality!
And Its the Sane Person that Is perceived to be Insane!

"The System of Doctor Tarr and Professor Fether"

I guess I didn't get the sarcasm, now I do.

I fear not pain nor death, my only fear is living without honor.
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Post: #127
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Yep, that's right...

I've given a general solution for the black hole Information paradox (solution being the packing process)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole...on_paradox

... and have, furthermore, provided an example (based on cubic spatial geometry, but any symmetrical spatial geometry will work just as fine, as can be easily verified) of how a complete history of all the information that falls into a black can be perfectly preserved on its surface.

... well, it could indeed be called 'perfectly', if only one didn't take into account the shoddiness of the whole design, and the 'signal bleeds' between adjacent points on the (2D) surface (which, the points, are certainly not adjacent in 3D).

In other words... no, there won't be any dragons and unicorns coming out of a black hole if it has, previously, swallowed some informational garbage.

So, let's see what happens next... and I've got some pretty good ideas about what it's going to be... all based on my previous experiences with similar... scientific and other... revelations.
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Post: #128
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
eSheep  Wrote: (11-16-2019 08:25 PM)
Perhaps we are always emanating out from the Source into different realities which overlap to some degree... or not overlap in some cases.

https://www.livescience.com/objective-re...cists.html

Well, gee, that means that the "quantum computer" they used for the experiment doesn't exist...
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Post: #129
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Theoferrum III  Wrote: (11-19-2019 09:33 PM)
eSheep  Wrote: (11-16-2019 08:25 PM)
Perhaps we are always emanating out from the Source into different realities which overlap to some degree... or not overlap in some cases.

https://www.livescience.com/objective-re...cists.html

Well, gee, that means that the "quantum computer" they used for the experiment doesn't exist...

dwave=dhoax
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Post: #130
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
but all observers agree about the way in which different observers obtain differing results

that is, there is still the same underlying theory that all still can independently confirm

so this is a kind of objective reality , altho what is "objective" isn't an agreement about results of a measurement of a physical system
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Post: #131
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
The Mandela Effect proves this.
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Post: #132
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
Reality is a Mental Construct.Bump
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Post: #133
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
seasnake  Wrote: (11-16-2019 08:45 PM)
evidently facts are now subjective, which means today's physicists can just make up whatever they want to force onto the public in terms of the belief in their small group scientific consensus based religion

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Post: #134
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-20-2019 01:02 AM)
The Mandela Effect proves this.
holographic reality
http://crystalinks.com/eye.tml the ancients knew life is an illusion you are were really never here.
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Post: #135
RE: Objective Reality Doesn't Exist According to Results of Quantum Experiment
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-20-2019 01:04 AM)
Reality is a Mental Construct.Bump
Its a Mental Construct Right Up Until You Attempt To Preach Reality to a Tiger!
And You Think Being On an Elephant With a tiny stick will save YourAss.
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See the Natural World around us is reality.
Everything else is a created Construct Of Mankind.
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