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Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
The Ghost of David Carradine
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RE: Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
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Using coal for electricity really is obsolete, and there is no practical way to make the emissions clean.


It actually has nothing to do with CO2.
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Coal is spiralling the drain.
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This still has me thinking. I think the article stated the coal mine that supplied this plant was depleted and shut down. I wonder if the US doesn't have much coal left. Peak coal maybe?
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Are they gonna run natural gas to it and retrofit it?
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Insults to other LOP'ers are a violation of LOP TOS.

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Damnrod  Wrote: (11-19-2019 11:02 PM)
Insults to other LOP'ers are a violation of LOP TOS.

Thanks Damnrod, that's a valuable and timely reminder for us all. Bluenames help to keep us all on the straight and narrow and I for one am thankful for it.
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Post: #22
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The NWO Demon State does not need any stinking coal. It has all the renewal energy it needs.



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Post: #23
RE: Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
engineering  Wrote: (11-19-2019 02:25 AM)
seasnake  Wrote: (11-19-2019 02:17 AM)
"and its closure will affect the entire region"
ominous

It employed a bunch of Navajo and Hopi tribes people.
There's no link to the article so had to find it myself but natural gas and renewables are cheaper and more efficient for that region.

And the tribal people don't really need a massive coal plant..
link to image: http://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/...navajo.jpg

It's probably a good thing it's being shut down now the indians can't overprice power....
You got that one wrong my friend. The Hopi have nothing to do with the buying & selling of power. Yeah they do need a "need a massive coal plant". In a year or so when the shutdown & decommissioning is complete around 1200 jobs will be gone and the money the tribes get will be gone. There's no construction in the area to speak of so where are they going to earn even a meager living? What? They can spend half their checks to travel to Phoenix to work at Mc Donalds?

A better comment would be why aren't they planning ahead!?!? APS has shut down Childs-Irving & West Phoenix power plant, and now their share of this fossil plant. But what have they done to take up the generation capacity? They just buy power and hope they can get this latest bid for a rate increase through. Don't know much about SRP but if you read all the glitzy propaganda they put out everything's OKIE DOKEY. They cut way back on equipment for spares, the lay down yards are almost empty so instead of being able to get power up in hours it takes days. It takes time for transportation to get poles etc. from Goodyear out to the east valley. Most of the IT is being done by contractors now. A lot of overhead construction is now done by contractors. When there's something like a fault in a residential neighborhood, they don't have the T men to repair it like SRP. So they run a "temp cable" which requires a security guard to babysit the cable for a week or two which you pay for. BUT! The execs & Pinnacle West are making bucks hand over fist! Sorry about the rant, but when people make remarks without thinking or the background knowledge it kind of torks me off. I'm sure the execs just said "They're just Indians, they'll find something who cares.............." Thanks for listening
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RE: Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
The Ghost of David Carradine  Wrote: (11-19-2019 05:17 PM)
Using coal for electricity really is obsolete, and there is no practical way to make the emissions clean.


It actually has nothing to do with CO2.





This'll work much better.

How many thousands of acres of windmills and solar panels will it take to replace that coal fired power plant?
How much damage from digging up rare earth metals to make all that?
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Post: #25
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Well that's just great.

What will I now put in the stockings hung near the fireplace awaiting a visit from Santa Claus this year? A lump of lithium?
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Post: #26
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-19-2019 08:08 PM)
Coal is spiralling the drain.

good
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Post: #27
RE: Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
LoP Guest  Wrote: (11-20-2019 03:20 AM)
engineering  Wrote: (11-19-2019 02:25 AM)
It employed a bunch of Navajo and Hopi tribes people.
There's no link to the article so had to find it myself but natural gas and renewables are cheaper and more efficient for that region.

And the tribal people don't really need a massive coal plant..
link to image: http://d279m997dpfwgl.cloudfront.net/wp/...navajo.jpg

It's probably a good thing it's being shut down now the indians can't overprice power....
You got that one wrong my friend. The Hopi have nothing to do with the buying & selling of power. Yeah they do need a "need a massive coal plant". In a year or so when the shutdown & decommissioning is complete around 1200 jobs will be gone and the money the tribes get will be gone. There's no construction in the area to speak of so where are they going to earn even a meager living? What? They can spend half their checks to travel to Phoenix to work at Mc Donalds?

A better comment would be why aren't they planning ahead!?!? APS has shut down Childs-Irving & West Phoenix power plant, and now their share of this fossil plant. But what have they done to take up the generation capacity? They just buy power and hope they can get this latest bid for a rate increase through. Don't know much about SRP but if you read all the glitzy propaganda they put out everything's OKIE DOKEY. They cut way back on equipment for spares, the lay down yards are almost empty so instead of being able to get power up in hours it takes days. It takes time for transportation to get poles etc. from Goodyear out to the east valley. Most of the IT is being done by contractors now. A lot of overhead construction is now done by contractors. When there's something like a fault in a residential neighborhood, they don't have the T men to repair it like SRP. So they run a "temp cable" which requires a security guard to babysit the cable for a week or two which you pay for. BUT! The execs & Pinnacle West are making bucks hand over fist! Sorry about the rant, but when people make remarks without thinking or the background knowledge it kind of torks me off. I'm sure the execs just said "They're just Indians, they'll find something who cares.............." Thanks for listening

I'm not trying to sound mean and I have nothing against them. However they are not known for being very sound investors or planners.
The very fact these tribal governments (or whoever) were able to keep the plant in their hands and going until the end of 2019 is basically a miracle. Considering so many other coal plants across the country have closed down for various reasons.
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Post: #28
RE: Largest coal plant in the West shuts down
engineering  Wrote: (11-20-2019 08:00 AM)
I'm not trying to sound mean and I have nothing against them. However they are not known for being very sound investors or planners.
The very fact these tribal governments (or whoever) were able to keep the plant in their hands and going until the end of 2019 is basically a miracle. Considering so many other coal plants across the country have closed down for various reasons.

Hit that on the nail. The Navajo governing body is a clusterfuck, ya hear/read what goes on and it may as well be the white amerkin government.
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Post: #29
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Coal will keep the cold at bay; be warm or die.
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