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Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
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God is Omnipresent.

The Bible says so, clearly.

Incarnate has the opposite meaning of Omnipresent.

So it cannot be, because God cannot be contained in a body.

An Angel, or a Son of God (as the Bible calls angels) hovever can be contained in a body and thus, incarnated.


Jesus prayed, to the God that he called "the only true God".

Jesus also said that he didn't know everything and that only God knows everything.

That should tell you something. Jesus was not all-knowing / omniscient.

God on the other hand is Omniscient.
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God is Omnipresent.

The Bible says so, clearly.

And there's your problem. Religious texts have claimed gods of all kinds existed for millennia ... but they were simply forgotten as time went on and replaced by other texts with other gods with other names. Today christians don't even use a "name" they just call him "God" ... look at your statement above - that's like me calling you human.

The monotheistic approach is the same picture. One person changed what was believed for millennia; it went out from there from Ahkenaton to Zoroaster to the Hebrews and Christians ... all with different names. If this was real, how could they all have different names? How could YOUR GOD be the right one, and theirs fake?

The bible also claimed Jesus was coming back and the world was ending 2000 years ago. It failed to happen.

Time to start thinking ... you have (like everyone else in this picture) been brainwashed.

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and what is found in the effect was already in the cause.” - Henri Bergson


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Catholics are completely stupid about Mary...
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God is Omnipresent.

The Bible says so, clearly.

And there's your problem. Religious texts have claimed gods of all kinds existed for millennia ... but they were simply forgotten as time went on and replaced by other texts with other gods with other names. Today christians don't even use a "name" they just call him "God" ... look at your statement above - that's like me calling you human.

The monotheistic approach is the same picture. One person changed what was believed for millennia; it went out from there from Ahkenaton to Zoroaster to the Hebrews and Christians ... all with different names. If this was real, how could they all have different names? How could YOUR GOD be the right one, and theirs fake?

The bible also claimed Jesus was coming back and the world was ending 2000 years ago. It failed to happen.

Time to start thinking ... you have (like everyone else in this picture) been brainwashed.

There is only One.
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An E.T. Visit and its Purpose.
 
"Be not afraid, we are not hostile. Be not afraid, we are not hostile. We mean you no harm," said the E.T. and invited the human+Being onboard the space-craft.

The Extra-terrestrial, who said that the human+Being could call him Xeno (foreigner), described his Utopian society to the human+Being:- "As you know it, we have no sickness, we have no crimes, we have no police force. We have no schools - our young are taught at an early age to do a job, which they do very well. Because of our long life expectancy we have a VERY STRICT BIRTH-CONTROL. We have no money. We live as one." (The Lord our God is One-ness - JAH)

The human+Being asked what the purpose of the visit was. The E.T. replied: "Observation only."

I don't think it meant for them to observe us, I think it was for me to observe them......... [Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in diverse places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven ("Bright Clouds" - Matthew 17:5)]............because he did not ask me at any time my name, my age, how many teeth I had, how many members of my family: he didn't ask me one thing about myself, and this leads me to believe that they know everything about us already (Sura 16:91), and he came for us to observe them........They did say they would come for further observations.

 
Spiritual Experience.
The human+Being was taken into what was referred to by the visitors as a "Consultation-room". The colour-effect in this room defied description. "Would you like to pay your respects to the Supreme Deity?" he was asked.

When he said that I almost fainted. I didn't even know how to take it. I said to him, "We have one, but we call it God. Are we talking about the same thing?" He replied, "There is only One" (Sura 4:170 -172 and 6:71-73)..........So I knelt and did my usual prayer.......Until that night I had never felt the presence of the Supreme Being - but I did feel Him that night.

It is obvious that they are on a very high scientific level, but their relationship with the Supreme Being means a lot more to them than their technical and scientific ability and knowledge (and possessions). I would say that their religion and their science are all in one. [AMEN-JAH]

 

This is a TRUE story that happened to an American man in California in 1965. For the explanation of why, read my "Close Encounters of the Gibraltar Kind" and "The Way home or face the Fire" - JAH.

 

Christ said, "I am not from this world.":-


John 8:14 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD.


The most important words in the entire Bible are spoken by Jesus to Nicodemus, which, unless YOU understand them and do it makes it impossible to understand and do any of the teachings.

What did Christ mean when he said that he is NOT FROM THIS WORLD and that unless YOU are born again from above, of spirit, you will neither SEE nor enter The Kingdom of God, Whom we are clearly informed is also a Spirit? The body that Christ (the spirit-Being) used, which was called Jesus and was born on this planet, obviously was from this world. So what did he mean?

Jesus explained what he meant, quite clearly, to Nicodemus and it is written in the Gospel of John chapter 3.


3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except (unless) a man be born from above, he cannot SEE the Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into the Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being" and the Ruler of the entire Universe).
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye MUST be born again.
3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell from where it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
3:9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? (How can I not be human?)
3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a teacher of Israel, and knowest not these things? (Matthew chapter 23:8-10).
3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you [of] heavenly (spirit) things?
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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
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Justin Case  Wrote: (12-25-2019 02:35 AM)
And there's your problem. Religious texts have claimed gods of all kinds existed for millennia ... but they were simply forgotten as time went on and replaced by other texts with other gods with other names. Today christians don't even use a "name" they just call him "God" ... look at your statement above - that's like me calling you human.

The monotheistic approach is the same picture. One person changed what was believed for millennia; it went out from there from Ahkenaton to Zoroaster to the Hebrews and Christians ... all with different names. If this was real, how could they all have different names? How could YOUR GOD be the right one, and theirs fake?

The bible also claimed Jesus was coming back and the world was ending 2000 years ago. It failed to happen.

Time to start thinking ... you have (like everyone else in this picture) been brainwashed.

There is only One.

And everyone since writing (and before writing) thought they had all the answers.

“The present contains nothing more than the past,
and what is found in the effect was already in the cause.” - Henri Bergson


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Christ said, "I am not from this world.":-


John 8:14 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD.

He also said he was coming back 2000 years ago ... so ... 1+1=2 ... the above statement is false also.

“The present contains nothing more than the past,
and what is found in the effect was already in the cause.” - Henri Bergson


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Justin Case  Wrote: (12-25-2019 03:15 AM)
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Christ said, "I am not from this world.":-


John 8:14 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I AM NOT FROM THIS WORLD.

He also said he was coming back 2000 years ago ... so ... 1+1=2 ... the above statement is false also.

By what logic?

I haven't died yet.

By your logic, I will not die...

But you will die soon

and meet Jesus!
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Justin Case  Wrote: (12-25-2019 03:15 AM)
He also said he was coming back 2000 years ago ... so ... 1+1=2 ... the above statement is false also.

By what logic?

I haven't died yet.

By your logic, I will not die...

But you will die soon

and meet Jesus!

The "logic" of your "text."

https://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-82915.html

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and what is found in the effect was already in the cause.” - Henri Bergson


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The stories are written for male human statements in science and cause and effect of the artificial....which is science.

Natural history did not build a machine...a human male did changing any natural product of his human choice.

A male in science says I am a Creator as an inventor and I created/conjured artificial my own self...and I knew how to cause it with extra Sun UFO mass conditions.

Earth once attacked, male researched and studied what conditions had changed God O....being The sun and UFO mass...radiation mass.

He said God O sion/fusion stone a radiating mass...for radiation of some level is in all things, seeing the original body o O eternal God burst and burnt.

God has been proven to have come out of another eternal body, released/separated...by the volcanic gases cooling to produce in clouds spirit images...how they first were placed.

God O therefore is proven to have been created and released from spiritual conditions.

O God the stone radiating. chemical conversions gain gas, prove that stone was once just gases.

O the heavenly mass surrounding God...radiating as gas mass, yet burning gas mass, removed gas mass, hot and cold space gas mass...and also the presence extra metallic radiation mass.

Making radiating an equals sign between 2 very different bodies as science male human known explanation so if you change the gases, radiating conditions, then stone disappears, as proven SINK HOLES.

So you always knew Satanist...how to get God the planet removed.

A male says cold empty out of space deep...owns no spirit.

Yet hot gas history cooled by empty space owns gas spirits in it that evolve.

Knows that hot gas came out of a history that created stone....always knew.

Womb therefore involved radiation, the angels that rebelled removing physical stone mass...so that the spirit of the gas was put into the womb.

Holy Mother of God, the stone history gave birth says a male FALSELY to the gas spirit presence...just because space is cold.

So he always said that Satan attacked the womb of the Mother, removed it....and only when stone got sacrificed the SAVIOUR wandering star did it get put back....always knew.

In a human being female life, change the atmospheric mass water/oxygen support, her ovaries get attacked/radiated/sick....then babies are born sick from damaged cells...what he also knew.

The reason a science mind connected the 2 causations as INFORMATION was due to his knowledge that science burnt out the natural Earth supported Saviour History so that his own natural baby life...the life that his Mother and Father spiritually adored as a newly born baby...which is real.

Removal of the ICE in melt, allowed life and the baby to die and be mutated and removed out of genetics. ICE amassing cooling in December allowed the newly born baby to come back...and live as the atmospheric gas mass accrued to own the peaceful support of atmospheric angels.

How it was described in human life, by humans for the sake of humans, and not for any science sake you liar Satan science cult scientists.

Animals and human babies are only alive and living in a stable atmospheric healed re massed radiated attack of the summer state sea of the son.

As males as the science inventor on Earth as a human all stories factually were always just taught about his own self and realization, seeing his belief that he was in control of everything proved a liar.

So Mother themes brought back his selfish ignorant male intentions to ignore the holiness of the human female life and baby which he proves, for our Holy Mother and Father adored and loved the female baby as much as they adored his life.

What male lying history is all about, Satanism science themes.
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A Satanist scientist therefore has knowingly said if I heat up the spatial womb, the cold stone held fused body that Holy Mother of God already owned....I attack.

Then I claim that the womb becomes unholy as hot space...and then stone disappears, which he always knew, hot to make/force stone to disappear and then the Saviour is put back.

As the original male mind, life and spirit body first scientist knew that the SAVIOUR gases had saved God Earth from the first UFO Sun mass attack of all God O bodies in the Universe.

He said that as that human original self that he owned the Saviour then in that moment...as using information to be informed, as first scientist of God who told his God self, so therefore do not change anything.

Instead he built the pyramid, activated the pyramid, burnt out the original holy self male higher form ownership of the Saviour gas support of O God the Earth...burnt/converted life...and has lied ever since.

Claiming that a Holy Mother body become abominated and was then saved by the saviour...when God the Holy Mother of, previously owned the physical mass of stone existing.

Why Satanists as males are complete and utter consummate liars.

It was always just a lying Satanic story, whose male intentions was to own the knowledge to have God the sion removed.

And you still want to argue, today after claiming your research HOLY GRAIL is real and true...so everyone in the public should know, yep he sure wants God the stone physically removed as the Destroyer Satan cult group...reincarnated and who came back/returned in human life to finish us off.
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God is Omnipresent.
The Bible says so, clearly.


Jesus is God. The bible says so, clearly. I gave the quotes.

Jesus is timeless and Omnipresent as God. He chose to be Human for a while, but that does not take away his God-head nor His omnipresence.

Jesus, as a man (yes, He is God but also a man, see 1 Tim. 2:5; Col. 2:9) is located in one place in the heavens at this time. But, since He has a divine nature, as the bible clearly states, and one of the attributes of divinity is omnipresence, then we can say that Jesus is omnipresent.

Jesus Omnipresent - John 17:5, Jesus says, "And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was."

Jesus Omnipresent - Matt. 28:19-20, Jesus says, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”

Jesus Omnipresent AND claiming the title of God - John 8:58 - "Truly, truly, I tell you," Jesus answered, "Before Abraham was born, I AM."

Jesus Omnipresent AND God - John 1 - 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Quote:Incarnate has the opposite meaning of Omnipresent.

So it cannot be, because God cannot be contained in a body.

Yes He can. God can choose to be anything at anytime He wishes. Jesus is God. The bible says so, clearly. Jesus is The Word Who added to His person a human nature. This does not mean that The Word has two natures. What it means is that the person of Jesus has two natures. In other words, Jesus the man is both The Word and human. He is both divine and human (and it's not separate). This is why Colossians 2:9 says "for in him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form." Officially, this doctrine is known as the hypostatic Union.

God can be whatever He wants to be at whatever time He wants it.
If He wants to incarnate, He can.

Quote:An Angel, or a Son of God (as the Bible calls angels) hovever can be contained in a body and thus, incarnated.
Incorrect. Angels are pure spirits and can not incarnate.

Quote:Jesus prayed, to the God that he called "the only true God".
And Jesus nature is GOD - One in Being with the Father. There is no conflict.

Quote:Jesus also said that he didn't know everything and that only God knows everything.

That should tell you something. Jesus was not all-knowing / omniscient.

God on the other hand is Omniscient.
Jesus is God, the bible says so. Therefore, Jesus is Omniscient. The Man-God possessed, not merely a Divine, but also a human nature, and therefore chose to have a human intellect for incarnation.

Examples of Jesus Omniscient -

John 1:48 - Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you."

John 13:11 - For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, "Not all of you are clean."

John 16:30 - "Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God."

John 21:17 - He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You " Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep.

Matthew 11:27 - "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

Matthew 22:18 - But Jesus perceived their malice, and said, "Why are you testing Me, you hypocrites?

Matthew 12:25 - And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, "Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste; and any city or house divided against itself will not stand.

Luke 6:8 - But He knew what they were thinking, and He said to the man with the withered hand, "Get up and come forward!" And he got up and came forward.

Revelation 2:23 - 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.

"They notice that you notice" - Mothman Prophecies doomed

A tradition cannot make an historical claim and then refuse to have it evaluated by history
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Catholics are completely stupid about Mary...

chuckle protestants adding scripture stating Mary had a bunch of kids, when they have no clue if she did or not, is pretty stupid in of itself.

"They notice that you notice" - Mothman Prophecies doomed

A tradition cannot make an historical claim and then refuse to have it evaluated by history
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There is only One.

And everyone since writing (and before writing) thought they had all the answers.

TRUE!

"They notice that you notice" - Mothman Prophecies doomed

A tradition cannot make an historical claim and then refuse to have it evaluated by history
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PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-25-2019 12:41 AM)
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Jesus has a God.

He told you, more than once.

You chose not to believe him.

Jesus has a God - the bible says so.

And Jesus IS God - the bible says so.

And you really shouldn't tell other people what they believe or don't believe.
You'll get it wrong every time. (just like you do everything else. chuckle)

Instead of that (believing that the Bible is saying that Jesus is God, as you believe) I on the other hand believe that God was in Jesus Christ.

That's what I get when I read the Bible.

Christ is the Son of God

And God (The Father) was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself:

2 Corinthians
5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [let him be] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
5:18 And all things [are] of God, Who hath reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us The Word of reconciliation.

I used to accept the teachings of the Church I grew up with, much like you do, but later in life it stopped making sense to me. So, I then started doing my own searching.

It's not my place to tell you what you believe, though. You were right about that, and thank you for pointing it out.
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