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Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
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Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
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Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no ROOM for them in the inn.

Luke wrote that Jesus was her firstborn son, not her only son.
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Marriage, as designed by God, was intended to bring a man and woman together as “one flesh” and that includes sexually. So even though Mary conceived Jesus as a virgin by the Holy Spirit, she continued in her marriage to Joseph and had other children. In Luke 2:7, Jesus is called Mary’s “firstborn” child. That implies Mary had other children. If the perpetual virginity of Mary is such an important point, Luke would have said, her “only” son.

But he didn't since they knew Jesus had brothers and ant least two sisters.

Mary was not a perpetual virgin; it's just a catholic myth.
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Marriage, as designed by God...

Marriage was not "designed by God" ... it's another human control mechanism that was simply followed like everything else.

And as far as Mary and Jesus ... isn't it odd the "birth-date" was never recorded. We have no clue when this "birth" occurred, and one would tend to think it would have been on the top of the list of things to know.

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and what is found in the effect was already in the cause.” - Henri Bergson


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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
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If the perpetual virginity of Mary is such an important point, Luke would have said, her “only” son.

Jesus was noted as Firstborn because, only child or not, it is a special title and status with the Jews. It doesn't mean others followed.

There is ZERO evidence that Mary gave birth to others. ZERO.

There is evidence that she did not. When jesus was dying on the cross He said to Mary . 'behold they son' and to the Apostle John - 'behold they mother'. He gave care of Mary to St. John. He would not have been able to do that if He had brothers and sisters.

There are 'brethren' in the gospels noted ... these could be children of Joseph by previous marriage; cousins; other relatives; or even people who were of the same religious group or clan.

ZERO evidence Mary had other children. ZERO. And all things considered, it's better that way. Otherwise, there would be people today claiming to be a blood relative of the Virgin Mary and Jesus ... and people are idiots ... they'd want to be treated special or they'd try to take over a country or something. It's best that He had no siblings .. considering how humanity acts.

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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-23-2019 08:23 PM)
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If the perpetual virginity of Mary is such an important point, Luke would have said, her “only” son.

Jesus was noted as Firstborn because, only child or not, it is a special title and status with the Jews. It doesn't mean others followed.

There is ZERO evidence that Mary gave birth to others. ZERO.

There is evidence that she did not. When jesus was dying on the cross He said to Mary . 'behold they son' and to the Apostle John - 'behold they mother'. He gave care of Mary to St. John. He would not have been able to do that if He had brothers and sisters.

There are 'brethren' in the gospels noted ... these could be children of Joseph by previous marriage; cousins; other relatives; or even people who were of the same religious group or clan.

ZERO evidence Mary had other children. ZERO. And all things considered, it's better that way. Otherwise, there would be people today claiming to be a blood relative of the Virgin Mary and Jesus ... and people are idiots ... they'd want to be treated special or they'd try to take over a country or something. It's best that He had no siblings .. considering how humanity acts.

Galatians
1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
1:19 But other of the Apostles saw I none, except James the Lord's (half) BROTHER (Read the Gospel according to James - his letter).
1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I LIE NOT.

Catholics are taught to believe in a complete fantasy.
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Galatians
1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
1:19 But other of the Apostles saw I none, except James the Lord's (half) BROTHER (Read the Gospel according to James - his letter).
1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I LIE NOT.

THAT IS A LIE.

Galatians 1:18-20 - Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days. I saw none of the other apostles—only James, the Lord’s brother. I assure you before God that what I am writing you is no lie.

It says - James, the Lord's brother. It does NOT say 'half brother'.
The original - brethren - meaning some kind of relative or even same type of believer.
There is ZERO proof Mary had any other children than Jesus.
There is ZERO statements saying 'so-and-so, born of Mary' etc etc.
Jesus gave Mary to John when He was dying on the cross.
He couldn't do that if there were other children by Mary.
For you to say definitively that James was a half brother is a lie.
There is ZERO information showing that to be true.

"They notice that you notice" - Mothman Prophecies doomed

A tradition cannot make an historical claim and then refuse to have it evaluated by history
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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-23-2019 08:23 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2019 04:43 PM)
If the perpetual virginity of Mary is such an important point, Luke would have said, her “only” son.

Jesus was noted as Firstborn because, only child or not, it is a special title and status with the Jews. It doesn't mean others followed.

There is ZERO evidence that Mary gave birth to others. ZERO.

There is evidence that she did not. When jesus was dying on the cross He said to Mary . 'behold they son' and to the Apostle John - 'behold they mother'. He gave care of Mary to St. John. He would not have been able to do that if He had brothers and sisters.

There are 'brethren' in the gospels noted ... these could be children of Joseph by previous marriage; cousins; other relatives; or even people who were of the same religious group or clan.

ZERO evidence Mary had other children. ZERO. And all things considered, it's better that way. Otherwise, there would be people today claiming to be a blood relative of the Virgin Mary and Jesus ... and people are idiots ... they'd want to be treated special or they'd try to take over a country or something. It's best that He had no siblings .. considering how humanity acts.

Seeing as ancient contraceptives weren't incredibly effective, and that she was a married, woman it would stand to reason that Mary (if she did indeed exist) would have had other children.
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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
Shoggoth  Wrote: (12-24-2019 01:05 AM)
PioneerSpirit  Wrote: (12-23-2019 08:23 PM)
Jesus was noted as Firstborn because, only child or not, it is a special title and status with the Jews. It doesn't mean others followed.

There is ZERO evidence that Mary gave birth to others. ZERO.

There is evidence that she did not. When jesus was dying on the cross He said to Mary . 'behold they son' and to the Apostle John - 'behold they mother'. He gave care of Mary to St. John. He would not have been able to do that if He had brothers and sisters.

There are 'brethren' in the gospels noted ... these could be children of Joseph by previous marriage; cousins; other relatives; or even people who were of the same religious group or clan.

ZERO evidence Mary had other children. ZERO. And all things considered, it's better that way. Otherwise, there would be people today claiming to be a blood relative of the Virgin Mary and Jesus ... and people are idiots ... they'd want to be treated special or they'd try to take over a country or something. It's best that He had no siblings .. considering how humanity acts.

Seeing as ancient contraceptives weren't incredibly effective, and that she was a married, woman it would stand to reason that Mary (if she did indeed exist) would have had other children.

People can be infertile.
People can have one child, be injured, and have no more.
People can be married and not have sexual relations.
People in her time took vows of 'no sex' for religious reasons and it's believed that she did.
(when she said 'how can this be since I do not know man ...' the ancient wording indicates a possible virginal vow)

In this case, we have zero evidence of other children being born to Mary.
If she did have them, that would be fine. It wouldn't matter.
But there is zero evidence.
And the little evidence we have in this area points away from Mary having other children.
If she had them, Jesus would not have been able, legally or otherwise, to give her to John from the Cross.
So anyone claiming definitively that James was the son of Mary, is adding to scripture.
And according to scripture, that's a big no-no.

"They notice that you notice" - Mothman Prophecies doomed

A tradition cannot make an historical claim and then refuse to have it evaluated by history
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I'm kind of stunned by this thread. Surely Mary, as an adult lady, should be left to live her life as she saw fit without everyone gossiping about it?

It is a fine thing to be honest, but it is also very important to be right. - Winston Churchill
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Seeing as ancient contraceptives weren't incredibly effective, and that she was a married, woman it would stand to reason that Mary (if she did indeed exist) would have had other children.

No, it does not. God called Joseph to be the father-protector, and to fulfill prophecy, not the husband in a conjugal manner. Perpetual virginity existed in the Israelite religion and in the pagan religions of the day. Vestal Virgins anyone?
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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
Treebeard  Wrote: (12-24-2019 01:45 AM)
Shoggoth  Wrote: (12-24-2019 01:05 AM)
Seeing as ancient contraceptives weren't incredibly effective, and that she was a married, woman it would stand to reason that Mary (if she did indeed exist) would have had other children.

No, it does not. God called Joseph to be the father-protector, and to fulfill prophecy, not the husband in a conjugal manner. Perpetual virginity existed in the Israelite religion and in the pagan religions of the day. Vestal Virgins anyone?
To me Mary shall always remain Holy and Virgin.
Holy Mary, Virgin Mary.
Amen
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You can only be first born once.

The history of the first born of the Holy Mother was the spatial womb...the virgin place that owned no gas mass presence, but was still a holy place.

There can only be one first born holy birth in the womb of the Mother by conditions spatial historic causes of the Sun exploding UFO war mass history about O God bodies attacked by the Sun rebellion, as a story how God O bodies pre existing mass fell into becoming Satanic black holes...the stars.

Once a God body...then a Satan body..burnt out their core.

Earth as a O angel of God survived that attack for other angels fell that kept Earth O God angel safe...so the core was fused in our God stone.

Natural God history

^ o volcanoes on a crystalline fused body of Earth with cold clear out of space natural God O earth evolution.

Attacked by the sun that bored UFO mass holes into its body, where core fusion was enacted....lava was formed from above ground stone crystalline mass melt...water flood saved the Earth, known taught first God O the Earth science concept.

Volcanic matter in that history therefore was radiated changed, and then produced changed volcanic gases that were different to natural history.

Why the volcanic eruption gas release does not instantly become cloud mass today...for the volcanoes as taught in scientology were changed by the UFO o bodies.

Natural volcanic eruption was the real law of the fusion mountain theme, natural ^ peak with o explosive core release.

^ natural volcanic mass changed in o UFO radiation attack.

No longer owned natural God history.

Males every day try to contradict or infer new Christ and Jesus teachings for they will not accept that science is the only owned evil act on Earth against God, by male science choice and machine.

It is why a Satanist always said I am factually working on behalf of Satan, the fallen black hole star gain...for he is proven to be a non stop thinker on how to force our God O to fall into by core fusion release, into that black hole spatial theory.

For O our God the stone does not own nor belong to any black hole.

That black hole is looked at right here and right now.

A male imposes light travel as a liar....space is not lit, so you cannot say light travel and then make false claim about space, when it owns no light its own self...only burning Earth gas does.

O a mass body surrounded by a light atmosphere takes 365 days to travel as physical mass movement as the only travel that God the Earth owns.

Black holes are seen right at this moment by the living aware living conscious light male psyche studying it.....you go and try standing in a god hole and claim that it is where God began...when a male in science is trying to place God in that O hole and END the body of God....as a science theme.....I own everything and will pretend that the God Earth is a machine as part of my machine DATA theories and themes.

CONFESS about SION...I want SION to have begun, as fusion in a black hole.

A hole does not even own fusion.

Fusion can only be talked about in its natural self present natural state.

Satanists are in science an artificial male psyche who is self possessed his own self by artificial intelligence his own ancient machine communicators who speak in his psyche everyday, proven by his ability to build a machine that he can operate into changing the sharing of male human thought about bio conscious information as DATA..to give self artificial answers, that only ever related in history to a machine itself.

As God is not the pyramid or a collider males today are trying to force God to become a reaction, a collision...which is to x God x 10 as the value X...to gain in space Planet X, which is a hot spatial Satan falling star burnt black hole.

And knows how the saviour alignments and non presence allows a hot hole to form...for science in the Mayan VISION said that male sciences had put MARS into that hole...burnt out its life, as a similar twin to Planet Earth.

As MARS no longer owns the protection of Earth by its own mass and atmospheric presence, males now know that minus one of God in the past MARS...can now put God Earth into that gained alignment....for it is what the original MOSES pyramid, as first pyramid science on modern day Earth after the ICE AGE, nearly caused his own self.
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Earth proves that its newly gained Holy Mother spatial womb tracking for 2000 and 12 did not RETURN, it got burnt out in 1901 Russian blasting attack and we moved off the track.

It took 100 years for the cooling to be put back into Russia, yet nuclear power plants were removing the spatial Saviour comet placed tracking, the wandering star by nuclear owned machine constants gas mass burning of space back to spatial zero.

Deep cold empty space is the only reason that nuclear science did not mass burn out our gases, for that spatial track removal back to emptiness opens hot space into deep cold space that keeps the hot gases cooled.

What Earth became in space for a male science invention as he tells us, that it is thought to be an interactive owned male science machination.

Why he keeps inferring God to his machines....for he already knows what he did.

MARS that had it atmospheric gas mass history track minused out, therefore puts Earth into the same displaced spatial movement of removed journey by coat of many colours, the Joseph movement in space, as the journey of God the one Earth,...so we drop down into where MARS was actively burnt out of its atmosphere.

As it was occurring I gained a huge amount of VISION....but as I nearly died, I have lost a lot of the memory of what I was seeing in the attack...but do remember being told that Earth had dropped down spatially.

UFO mass radiation presence is taught to be a UFO WAR to the mind psyche of the science self. MARS was the GOD of war in the UNIVERSE...MARS was defeated and their angel no longer keeps Earth God safe....why I saw that Mayan vision as the last warning to science on Earth.

You can only quote...male as science did not exist in natural...it was male owned, as a human and invented by VISION study...VISION proves to own science male prophetic warnings to how wrong you are.

If you do not want to honour what you based the principles of science itself on, then pay the price of gambling with evil.
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Only one Holy Mother of God O the spatial cold womb.

A holy Mother of God allows for holy male and female human life.

Females a higher spiritual male known history came into life after the male.

If a female nearly self combusts in natural life....last male warning against Satanic practice....as the fact of it.
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RE: Mary was not a perpetual virgin Luke 2:7
Treebeard  Wrote: (12-24-2019 01:45 AM)
Shoggoth  Wrote: (12-24-2019 01:05 AM)
Seeing as ancient contraceptives weren't incredibly effective, and that she was a married, woman it would stand to reason that Mary (if she did indeed exist) would have had other children.

No, it does not. God called Joseph to be the father-protector, and to fulfill prophecy, not the husband in a conjugal manner. Perpetual virginity existed in the Israelite religion and in the pagan religions of the day. Vestal Virgins anyone?

72 Virgins for every Muslim Martyr
but they are different kind of virgins, they are racially cultured adapted for Muslims
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