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How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Askakido
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04-17-2017 09:59 PM

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Post: #46
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 06:33 PM)
The premise is ridiculous. Without each country defining citizenship through legislation and through judicial review, then no policy of immigration and asylum can exist.

Hey Goofball, nations have legal borders.

Nations need not have any territorial boundaries except perhaps atmospheric, not able to fly off the planet natural and out into the rest of the universe.

You have confused the term "Nation", with the term, "State."

However to be fair the Mass Media and nearly all politicians have confound the definitions and lexicons of Political Science without telling that they have done that just to confuse you, and even themselves.

States have territorial borders, Nations go not necessarily have territorial borders.

The more accurate term you might be speaking of is the "Nation-State". Nation-States have borders. Though Nation-States can have a population that is of many different ethnic groups (nations) in them, all being either "Subjects" or "Citizens" of that Nation-State, bound by the Laws of that Nation-State.

We are all Legal Citizens and Natural Citizens of Planet Earth as far as we know, and Earth is a State that has very definite natural borders the boundary being the atmosphere.

Prove you were born on Planet Earth. For that matter prove you were actually born and not "hatched"...
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Post: #47
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Helping legal immigrants who have needs is Biblical. It specifically is a Christian's duty due to the parable of the sheep and the goats.

But we shouldn't help illegal immigrants as they are breaking the Law. That is also Biblical. Out of compassion, we should help them return home.
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:33-34
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, Mathew 25:35
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 3:5
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Deuteronomy 27:19
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Hebrews 13:2
“For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever.
Jeremiah 7:5

The Bible couldn't be more clear.
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Post: #48
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:06 PM)
Helping legal immigrants who have needs is Biblical. It specifically is a Christian's duty due to the parable of the sheep and the goats.

But we shouldn't help illegal immigrants as they are breaking the Law. That is also Biblical. Out of compassion, we should help them return home.
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:33-34
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, Mathew 25:35
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 3:5
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Deuteronomy 27:19
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Hebrews 13:2
“For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever.
Jeremiah 7:5

The Bible couldn't be more clear.

The only way a Christian can help an illegal return home is to report them to ICE. If they don't, then they are breaking the law by harboring a criminal, which, because in addition to lawbreaking, it is a sin.
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Post: #49
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:16 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:06 PM)
Helping legal immigrants who have needs is Biblical. It specifically is a Christian's duty due to the parable of the sheep and the goats.

But we shouldn't help illegal immigrants as they are breaking the Law. That is also Biblical. Out of compassion, we should help them return home.
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 19:33-34
“You shall not wrong a sojourner or oppress him, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.
Exodus 22:21
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, Mathew 25:35
“Then I will draw near to you for judgment. I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, against the adulterers, against those who swear falsely, against those who oppress the hired worker in his wages, the widow and the fatherless, against those who thrust aside the sojourner, and do not fear me, says the Lord of hosts.
Malachi 3:5
“‘Cursed be anyone who perverts the justice due to the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’
Deuteronomy 27:19
Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Hebrews 13:2
“For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly execute justice one with another, if you do not oppress the sojourner, the fatherless, or the widow, or shed innocent blood in this place, and if you do not go after other gods to your own harm, then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave of old to your fathers forever.
Jeremiah 7:5

The Bible couldn't be more clear.

The only way a Christian can help an illegal return home is to report them to ICE. If they don't, then they are breaking the law by harboring a criminal, which, because in addition to lawbreaking, it is a sin.

No. Not necessarily. Christians can help by being positive agents of change like yeast is in flour. Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc.

We do not have to rat people out.
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04-17-2017 10:47 PM

 



Post: #50
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
There are times when Christians must help government and times when Christians must oppose governments.

Otherwise Christians might facilitate government tyranny, especially when the government itself is lawless!
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04-17-2017 10:54 PM

 



Post: #51
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 05:06 PM)
Because there is no such thing a legal citizen, only the illusion of one. How can any of you prove you are a legal citizen? You don't have a UCC valid two party signed contract forming a bond, you didn't swear an explicit public oath to form a bond, and on top of not having a bond with the government to prove you are a legal citizen, you don't even speak legalese because you have never read Black's Law Dictionary. If I claimed to you that I am spanish and yet could not speak one word of spanish to prove my claim, obviously you wouldn't believe such a claim, so why should anyone believe you that you are a legal citizen if you don't speak the language and don't have a bond proving your claim?

When will you fools start living in the real world and cease supporting a satanic RE-presentation of what and who you really are? The reason so much corruption and suffering continues is because so many good people idiotically support it by paying taxes to it. Wake up.

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Post: #52
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Dumbass

GO BACK HOME TO MEXICO YOU TRESPASSER
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Post: #53
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:45 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:16 PM)
The only way a Christian can help an illegal return home is to report them to ICE. If they don't, then they are breaking the law by harboring a criminal, which, because in addition to lawbreaking, it is a sin.

No. Not necessarily. Christians can help by being positive agents of change like yeast is in flour. Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc.

We do not have to rat people out.

Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc., in order to force the govt. into being more accommodating to lawbreakers, takes a lot of time.

So you're going to go on thinking that God is going to be happy with you breaking your country's laws, to harbor a criminal who has already broken the law, in order for him/her to take advantage of your hard work getting the laws changed in order to provide the lawbreaker residence in your country?

I'd say then that you aren't Christian, or that you routinely change your religion's theology when you see fit. Christianity says that lawbreaking isn't dependent on your opinion of the law's appropriateness. Lawbreaking is always a sin, regardless of the govt. that makes the law. Christianity says that God allows all the leaders to have power, and that Christians are to obey the law regardless of where that may be.

Your idea isn't how a lawful society works, and it's not the way Christianity works.
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04-18-2017 12:18 AM

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Post: #54
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 11:36 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:45 PM)
No. Not necessarily. Christians can help by being positive agents of change like yeast is in flour. Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc.

We do not have to rat people out.

Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc., in order to force the govt. into being more accommodating to lawbreakers, takes a lot of time.

So you're going to go on thinking that God is going to be happy with you breaking your country's laws, to harbor a criminal who has already broken the law, in order for him/her to take advantage of your hard work getting the laws changed in order to provide the lawbreaker residence in your country?

I'd say then that you aren't Christian, or that you routinely change your religion's theology when you see fit. Christianity says that lawbreaking isn't dependent on your opinion of the law's appropriateness. Lawbreaking is always a sin, regardless of the govt. that makes the law. Christianity says that God allows[/u] all the leaders to have power, and that Christians are to obey the law regardless of where that may be.

Your idea isn't how a lawful society works, and it's not the way Christianity works.

Huh? Then you would have to do whatever the person in authority tells you to do even though you know it would be an evil act and something that you would never do it of your own accord?

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Post: #55
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 11:36 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 10:45 PM)
No. Not necessarily. Christians can help by being positive agents of change like yeast is in flour. Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc.

We do not have to rat people out.

Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc., in order to force the govt. into being more accommodating to lawbreakers, takes a lot of time.

So you're going to go on thinking that God is going to be happy with you breaking your country's laws, to harbor a criminal who has already broken the law, in order for him/her to take advantage of your hard work getting the laws changed in order to provide the lawbreaker residence in your country?

I'd say then that you aren't Christian, or that you routinely change your religion's theology when you see fit. Christianity says that lawbreaking isn't dependent on your opinion of the law's appropriateness. Lawbreaking is always a sin, regardless of the govt. that makes the law. Christianity says that God allows all the leaders to have power, and that Christians are to obey the law regardless of where that may be.

Your idea isn't how a lawful society works, and it's not the way Christianity works.

No, I mean the US government is lawless when they don't arrest illegal aliens. So they need more money, more ICE, more equipment, build a wall.
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Post: #56
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Isabella  Wrote: (04-18-2017 12:18 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 11:36 PM)
Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc., in order to force the govt. into being more accommodating to lawbreakers, takes a lot of time.

So you're going to go on thinking that God is going to be happy with you breaking your country's laws, to harbor a criminal who has already broken the law, in order for him/her to take advantage of your hard work getting the laws changed in order to provide the lawbreaker residence in your country?

I'd say then that you aren't Christian, or that you routinely change your religion's theology when you see fit. Christianity says that lawbreaking isn't dependent on your opinion of the law's appropriateness. Lawbreaking is always a sin, regardless of the govt. that makes the law. Christianity says that God allows[/u] all the leaders to have power, and that Christians are to obey the law regardless of where that may be.

Your idea isn't how a lawful society works, and it's not the way Christianity works.

Huh? Then you would have to do whatever the person in authority tells you to do even though you know it would be an evil act and something that you would never do it of your own accord?

Obviously, if adhering to a man-made law would violate one or more of God's laws, then a Christian would be right to follow God's law. No law that says every person must kill at least one other human before you reach age thirty, is going to be obeyed by a Christian, because it violates Thou shalt not kill, for example.

I don't believe anything in the Christian bible instructs that we should illegally aid someone breaking the man-made law, who languishes in their ongoing illegal act daily, without even a move to do the right thing to become legal. And especially when there is LEGAL entry to the United States available to all.

When you say "evil act", it is so only if it butts head with God's laws.

Prosecuting people that enter a country illegally, according to that country's laws, could never be deemed an "evil act". It is merely a law, and a good one.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
— Romans 13:1

Jesus answered [speaking to Pilate], “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above.”
— John 19:11

By me kings reign…
— Proverbs 8:15

…he removes kings, and sets up kings…
— Daniel 2:21

Then God removed Saul and made David their king…
— Acts 13:22

No one … can exalt themselves. It is God who judges: He brings one down, he exalts another.
— Psalms 75:6-7

…the Most High has power over human kingdoms. He gives them to whomever he wishes.
— Daniel 4:17

Pretty clear, both old testament and new references it.
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Post: #57
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IT is extremely perverse to twist the Bible to get compliance from Christian
If the Founding Fathers completely submitted to the British tyrannical government, which had been violating natural rights given by God, then had we perverted Romans 13, then the American Revolution wouldn't have taken place.

So don't abuse Romans 13.



Leftists are shaking in their shoes because of the enormous Freedom granted by God and guaranteed by the US Constitution and specifically by the Bill of Rights. I LOVE when extreme leftists mark videos.
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Post: #58
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-18-2017 12:43 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 11:36 PM)
Changing laws, changing budgets, changing enforcement, etc., in order to force the govt. into being more accommodating to lawbreakers, takes a lot of time.

So you're going to go on thinking that God is going to be happy with you breaking your country's laws, to harbor a criminal who has already broken the law, in order for him/her to take advantage of your hard work getting the laws changed in order to provide the lawbreaker residence in your country?

I'd say then that you aren't Christian, or that you routinely change your religion's theology when you see fit. Christianity says that lawbreaking isn't dependent on your opinion of the law's appropriateness. Lawbreaking is always a sin, regardless of the govt. that makes the law. Christianity says that God allows all the leaders to have power, and that Christians are to obey the law regardless of where that may be.

Your idea isn't how a lawful society works, and it's not the way Christianity works.

No, I mean the US government is lawless when they don't arrest illegal aliens. So they need more money, more ICE, more equipment, build a wall.

Certainly any country's govt. that flaunts disobeying their country's own laws like it's a glorious and honorable thing, would be a lawless govt. in more ways than one.
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Post: #59
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-18-2017 12:52 AM)
IT is extremely perverse to twist the Bible to get compliance from Christian
If the Founding Fathers completely submitted to the British tyrannical government, which had been violating natural rights given by God, then had we perverted Romans 13, then the American Revolution wouldn't have taken place.

So don't abuse Romans 13.



Leftists are shaking in their shoes because of the enormous Freedom granted by God and guaranteed by the US Constitution and specifically by the Bill of Rights. I LOVE when extreme leftists mark videos.

How did I abuse Romans 13?
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Post: #60
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-18-2017 12:56 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-18-2017 12:52 AM)
IT is extremely perverse to twist the Bible to get compliance from Christian
If the Founding Fathers completely submitted to the British tyrannical government, which had been violating natural rights given by God, then had we perverted Romans 13, then the American Revolution wouldn't have taken place.

So don't abuse Romans 13.



Leftists are shaking in their shoes because of the enormous Freedom granted by God and guaranteed by the US Constitution and specifically by the Bill of Rights. I LOVE when extreme leftists mark videos.

How did I abuse Romans 13?

Sigh. I am speaking generally, not necessarily to you.

The US government creepy pastor program abuses Romans 13. It's called the Clergy Response Team.


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