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How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
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Quote:So we really are saying the same thing, in different words, with yours being from the US perspective and mine being from the Canadian/Global perspective, which translates to you referring to the Constitution and me referring to general principles of Law.

Essentially Yes .

But why would anyone want to claim to be operating by British Common Law when they don't live in the UK?

American Law was Originated in English Common Law . The Declaration of Independence on forward were composed to be in harmony . United States Statutes are prefaced to be ” Construed In Harmony with “ . This is spelled out specifically in the Codes and Statutes in the Empowerment Clauses of each Volume . Just the way it is .

UNLESS the Common Law is Superseded by specific language in a given Statutes' individual Empowerment Clause .

American Law is based in the pre-existing Laws and Customs of three different Colonial Cultures . English , French and Spanish . Corresponds with the three divisions of Colonization Territories absorbed / incorporated into the USA .

The French Laws not in conflict with English were adopted into Statute , being in “ Harmony with “ . For example , by all appearances , the Universal Commercial Code is directly adapted from French Law Merchant .

The Spanish Territories provided the adaption of Community Property to supplement the Common Law Widow's Dower . Where as Dower was set by the Husband's worth in Tenements ( which are Held and not Owned ) and was One Third the Estate , under Community Property it was the Survivors Estate by the Entireties . The whole Enchilada , as the saying goes .

Shouldn't we be claiming to be operating by global Earth Common Law as defined by Equity Law aka Trust Law?

Global Law is a Construct which isn't always in Harmony with local Custom , which is considered Law and has more sway in Western Written Law Making than given credit for . Directed in Maxims and Cannons , and touched lightly upon in Legal History .

Equity Law developed in the Court of Chancery as a means to address the harshness of the Common Law , often called a “ Cruel Mistress “ . Equity was to express the King's Conscience and could over rule Common Law in particular instances .

Trust Law is Litigated as Equity Action , but Equity in regards to Express / Written Trust is primarily concerned with the Contract aspects , and Trust is so much more than Contract .


Isn't the Commonwealth just an illusion of a group like the corporate GOVT? Shouldn't we be returning to reality and operating on/by planet Earth so we reflect the Unity Consciousness necessary to prove our claim of being sovereign trustees?

“ Commonwealth “ is simply a Legal Fiction for convenience of the Governors . The remainder is in the Individuals Conscience to direct . To Do or Do Not . Choice of Will .

I chose to express My Political Will as a Member of the Posterity and Beneficiary of the Express Trust declared in the Preamble of the Constitution .

And aren't we really all three parts of the trust? Aren't we the Grantor of the public trust?

Yes , as Heirs to the Estate established, as long as We don't repudiate Our Beneficial Interest in some way .

that is the all caps strawman account by virtue of its creation reflecting our own human birth?

Strawman addressed above . Live Birth has nothing to do with a Government Claim via Neologism . I consider such an unauthorized Intrusion at the least and Trespass on My Person at the worst .

Aren't we also the Trustees of this public trust by stewarding/utilizing it as we choose?

Not that I see . One is free to utilize the ALL CAPS NAME if so desired and that alone might make One a Trustee . That appears to be part of Government's Game of finding someone else to be Surety for Its folly . From My point of understanding , Elected and Appointed Officials are in that position as Trustees foremost .

The Trustee is Subservient to the Beneficiary however . That is the position of Ultimate Individual Authority .


And aren't we also the Beneficiary of the public trust by right of inheritance?

Yes . That is the Claim made to Rebut any Presumption regarding My Person by Government Actors .

Unfortunately We have become accustomed to untrustworthy Trustees that usurp Our Rights as Beneficiaries to Their Own Exclusive Use . Conversion of Personal Property under Trust designation .

If we aren't claiming to be all three, how can we be truly reflecting Unity Consciousness in our application of the Law as it pertains to us personally?

Unity Consciousness is not the Purview of Written Law , as far as I am aware . Again , a Personal matter of choice , IMO .

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Post: #107
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-13-2017 05:22 PM)
If you've ever voted for an authority figure to rule over you, what you did was give up your sovereignty by voluntarily subjugating yourself to be ruled over by another. I've never done that, thus I remain sovereign. Those that have voted and subjugated themselves belong to the USA government. That I suppose makes you a citizen.

So how does voting actually create a real bond? How is casting a vote equivalent to signing a contract where the GOVT signs as well, which doesn't happen when anyone votes? How is voting equivalent to the voter swearing an explicit formal oath to be a legal citizen? Where is it disclosed to people that voting makes them property aka a slave to the system? If those terms aren't disclosed up front then any assumed consent is based in fraud which is lack of full disclosure of terms, right? And how can it be honestly said those terms were disclosed in statute 'law' when that 'law' is written in doublespeak fraud legalese which makes it impossible to interpret/understand correctly?

Then after all this, why can people not revoke their assumption of consent at any given time because there is no real bond aka ratification of govt, only the assumption of such? Assumption is not honourable, and therefore not worthy of being honoured, right?

People shift and grow, saying they can't make new choices because of their old ones is completely retarded, especially when the old choices didn't actually create a real bond.

TGus  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:33 PM)
At this point in time, I'm not even sure what a legal citizen is.

Exactly, we can't be sure what it is because it isn't set in hard terms. Yes the statute 'laws' are hard terms but those only apply to the people who give consent and since the GOVT has been lying to us this whole time about how lawful consent is granted and therefore none of us have given lawful consent, what is a legal citizen other than a fiction of our imagination that is only real if people think it is?

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 10:11 PM)
Your argument is everything belongs to a man made construct (GOD) and was stolen by a man made construct (GOVERNMENT). Sound like a legit argument!

Prove the existence of GOD! You can't without man made documents that are exactly what you claim are fiction when applicable to humans.

God is All That Is. Can you prove that All That Is does not exist? You would have to prove you don't exist to prove that, and anyone with more than half a working brian knows how much of an exercise in futility that would be, much like your post.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
So the question becomes: why should anyone submit to your interpretation of law?

What a depressing bullshit slavery mentality you have. Why does anyone need to submit to my interpretation of law when it is the truth about how law works? Even though it may be my personal interpretation, if I am aligned with the highest truth applicable to us all, doesn't that mean that anyone who disagrees is way below my/the consciousness of the truth I am sharing? Why would anyone intelligent listen to someone with low consciousness who is obviously speaking out of their ass?

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
Do you vote? Do your candidates win? Why are your whims and desires any more valid than other members of society?

Representative Government is just that. A government made up of individuals who represent those who elected them to speak on behalf of the majority.

Voting doesn't create a bond, as proven above.

And since I don't vote because I am not retarded, then how does CORP GOVT represent me? They assume they do because of legal sorcery convincing them that forced slavery is ok. How is it honourable to assume that a slavery relationship is ok? It is completely dishonourable and the main reason why so many people have little to no faith in GOVT any more.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
If you do not like what the majority of society accepts as the norm than you may want to consider leaving society because societal contracts serve the will of the majority, not the individual.

By your model

You completely fail to understand 'my model', so your idiotic assumptions of what that is are just like your idiotic assumptions of how the law really works.

And the human race is not the Borg, it is not all or nothing. Society is made up of individuals, not the other way around. Individual people host the spirit of God that gives us life, not society. People are the true source of inspiration and evolution, not society. Anyone who thinks society is more important than the individual is an ignorant slave martyr pure and simple.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
You are obviously a loser in this society, so most likely would be the loser in your own.

We speak as we are, how's that working for you? It's working great for myself and those of us serving God and Christ, thanks.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
Reason being majority rules, and majority is always stronger than the minority. A small army can defeat a larger army if the smaller army have the majority of weapons, training and strength.

How ignorant you are of the power of spirituality aka raising consciousness. Power Vs Force describes how consciousness increases logarithmically meaning that Love is millions of times more powerful than fear. Obviously your world view comes from the perspective of an ignorant slave martyr, right?

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
You are free to continue your futility. Your arguments will never win because even if they succeed, you will simply become that which you claim to despise.

You are speaking of your own future, right? Have fun with that.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
In the meantime, until you can prove you come from the 8 to 13 percent of colonist that created the United States by virtue of declaring war on King George III, you are nothing more than an immigrant who never fought for the freedom he has by virtue of his self contested citizenship.

How the f*#k am I an immigrant when I was born upon the province on which I live? Seriously, are you completely retarded to assume such bullshit?

And how am I an immigrant when I am living on the planet upon which I was born? Wake up.

LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:55 PM)
If you so detest the life to which you were born, file suit against your parents for birthing you into this world. Of course they may kick you out of the basement and make you support yourself, but isn't that what you really need anyway?

What makes you think I detest life just because I am HELPING OPEN MINDS ABOUT HOW LAW REALLY WORKS? If I hated life wouldn't I waste my time making sh*t posts like yours instead of sharing important truth which is helping the world grow up and kick the assholes like you out of positions of societal power?

And if you think earning some money and paying some bills is qualification for 'supporting yourself', you are retarded. Without remembering that your connection to God/Love/Life is within yourself, you are never supporting yourself because if you have to farm love from outside yourself due to you being ignorant of the spiritual truth which always reflects how we relate to the Law, then you are failing to support yourself in the most important manner.

The only people who aren't interested in discussing the evolution of our global societal definitions and applications of Law are those who are lawless, and your opinions don't matter so why waste our time?

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Post: #108
RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Heir  Wrote: (06-18-2017 10:58 PM)
Unity Consciousness is not the Purview of Written Law , as far as I am aware . Again , a Personal matter of choice , IMO .
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Not trying to be rude Heir because I surely appreciate your posts, I just don't really get most of what you are saying because the views of the trees are eclipsing the forest.

Meaning that you are speaking in a very educated way from the perspective of the past system(s) of Law, but it is hard to understand what you are getting at. I am presenting a very real rational problem with how our law system works, and I don't understand if you are saying to keep following it or make a new path or how to do either of those.

To me it should be as simple as writing a letter to GOVT telling them the truth and they then 'upgrade' our file to reflect our sovereign honourable international freeman trustee status, right? Wouldn't a benevolent compassionate government want to help people grow up and empower themselves moreso than we can while living as a legal citizen slave martyr?

And thus why I quoted one thing you said, which is the same reason I cannot be part of the societal group known as CORP LEGAL GOVT because if it is not reflecting Unity Consciousness which it clearly is not, then how can I be part of that when I am reflecting Unity Consciousness?

And isn't this the main problem with CORP GOVT? The fact that it cares more about cash flow than human prosperity? Who would want to be part of that system other than ignorant slave martyrs?

And don't we need to write new agreements for ourselves since all the old forms of Law were based in some level of slavery?

Here is how human collective evolution works, with four levels:

Individual Force - might is right, absolute slavery, the lowest consciousness collective human form
Collective Force - group rule in a negative way, conditional slavery
Collective Reflectivity - group rule in a positive way, subtle hidden slavery
Individual Reflectivity - self empowered adults ruling themselves with little to need for collective rules, the highest consciousness collective human form

So we are clearly in the second last form right now, you would agree? Where society is mostly good but also corrupted by a few darkhats trying to destroy what we have built? Don't we need to rise above the subtle hidden slavery of doublespeak legality and move into the Individual Reflectivity of Christed beings operating in harmony with Divine Law and thus being beyond the need for human statute rules to farm us for taxes to pay for bullshit and war perpetuated by assholes?

How else do We the People take back control of our obviously usurped CORP GOVTS?
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Let Me ponder on this for a bit .

I'll just mention " Citizenship " as an Estate or Title conveys 1 thing . The Right to exercise Rights . Those " Rights" are regulate-able by the Entity issuing Citizenship . Rome for example . " Beware for He is a Roman Citizen " comes to mind . Paul Claimed to be Born a Roman Citizen and thereby Claimed certain Privileges in Roman Occupied Territories .

If I recall , there were 3 avenues of attaining this Citizenship . One like being an " Anchor Baby " . Born Within the Geographical Boundary of the City and thereby Subject to the Jurisdiction of the City . In the States this avenue has fueled the influx of Pregnant Foreign Nationals for decades . Parent Nationality does not come into play once that Birth Certificate is Issued on American Soil .

Rights are a Construct of the Mind . Incorporeal . Existing in Contemplation and Agreement only . Except Copy Rights which are easiest to Enforce via Written Claim or Assignment . Common Law Copy Right is harder to Enforce though easy enough to show with proper Documentation .

Will be back . Be Well .

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Quote:In the meantime, until you can prove you come from the 8 to 13 percent of colonist that created the United States by virtue of declaring war on King George III, you are nothing more than an immigrant who never fought for the freedom he has by virtue of his self contested citizenship.

I think this 8-13 % assumption is a bit off as far as Citizenship goes .

A few years before My Mothers demise She got the Genealogy bug . She really went into it .

We knew the Family had Soldiers on both sides of the so-called " Civil War ". Dad's Family History was pretty well documented for generations . Mom's , not so much .

She was surprised to discover how far back Her Maternal side went . Mom's Family Roots had been in America since before the " American Revolution " . Didn't find where They had taken any position in the War for Independence , just They were here from sometime in the 1600's . Can't show They participated in that war any capacity .

The Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union were a Representative Ad Hoc Action being undertaken by the former Colonies through the 2nd Continental Congress , as newly formed Free and Independent States . This Action formed the united States of America . A Confederation . Note the lower case in united .

Same Representative function in the no longer Ad Hoc Action with the later Constitution for the United States of America . Capitalization in United changed it to a Proper Form .

These " Representatives " were speaking and Acting on behalf of the People within Their respective (E)States in Perpetual Union .

The Colonies were properly Chartered Agricultural Estates of the British Crown , which is why King George had a hard time pulling Troop Authorizations from Parliament and resorted to Hessian Mercenaries to bolster Military presence .

Mom's Family was among those People in the Agricultural Estates .

[ EDIT : Agricultural Plantation Estates actually . Memory slips from time to time ]

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-19-2017 07:49 PM)
[quote='Heir' pid='14436447' dateline='1497819531']
Unity Consciousness is not the Purview of Written Law , as far as I am aware . Again , a Personal matter of choice , IMO .


Not trying to be rude Heir because I surely appreciate your posts, I just don't really get most of what you are saying because the views of the trees are eclipsing the forest.

Ain't THAT Forrest for the Trees the Truth .

Meaning that you are speaking in a very educated way from the perspective of the past system(s) of Law, but it is hard to understand what you are getting at.

My primary effort has been geared to expanding awareness of the Constitution as a Trust Instrument and how it can only BE based in Trust , due to the subject matter and Laws being followed at the Time .

The subject of Trusts is convoluted at best .

I am presenting a very real rational problem with how our law system works, and I don't understand if you are saying to keep following it or make a new path or how to do either of those.

The problems You present are real and evident to those willing to see them as problems . My point is to bring forward the foundational principals that apply to United States Government and its Agents and Assigns . This is not a New Path , just the unused one . Ignored since before the Civil War . Breached since  the Emergency Banking Relief Act, Public Law 1, 48 Stat. 1 (March 9, 1933)

The Founders went through a lot of trouble to formulate an Enduring Estate .


To me it should be as simple as writing a letter to GOVT telling them the truth and they then 'upgrade' our file to reflect our sovereign honourable international freeman trustee status, right?

Our Files were Modified to Witness Protection Program . Apparently Do Not Detain .

I've got to wrap My mind around this Claim of Status . International Freeman sounds a lot like the World Service Authority Passport . Here's a list of Countries that have accepted it for Visa purposes . This is accomplished on a Case by Case Basis . I don't know that World Service Citizenship has been unconditionally Accepted by any One Country .

http://www.worldservice.org/visas.html

Wouldn't a benevolent compassionate government want to help people grow up and empower themselves moreso than we can while living as a legal citizen slave martyr?

I contend this was Francis Bacon's intent and the Founders also followed the Utopian Ideal as practically as possible .

I've been Civilly Dead . It's no easy condition .

And thus why I quoted one thing you said, which is the same reason I cannot be part of the societal group known as CORP LEGAL GOVT because if it is not reflecting Unity Consciousness which it clearly is not, then how can I be part of that when I am reflecting Unity Consciousness?

Exactly . Concience sure can get in the way , can't it .

When Mom passed , She died Intestate . Her Estate Matters passed to Me as Eldest Son . I could not efficiently Administer Her Estate Distribution without State Issued ID . So 14 Years of running at Liberty ended with a Drivers Licence Application and Savings and Loan Account , both Executed Of Necessity , Without Prejudice or Acceptance .

The Hand of Providence was there as those I dealt with in these matters had no idea what a Reserved Signature was all about . That Reservation even appears on My DL . Hard to make out , but still there under Signature .

Be back . Time to mow some lawn .

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Quote:And isn't this the main problem with CORP GOVT? The fact that it cares more about cash flow than human prosperity? Who would want to be part of that system other than ignorant slave martyrs?

The Constitution , as Estate in Trust , empowers Central Government to operate in Corporate fashion . In-Corporation doesn't come into play with out a Charter from a Higher Authority . None has been forthcoming , to My knowledge . The Corporate Structure is still Subservient to the Creating Trust and in Fiduciary Obligation to it's Beneficiaries . The Posterity . Posterity is only Human by definition .

And don't we need to write new agreements for ourselves since all the old forms of Law were based in some level of slavery?

The Constitutional Form was based on Magna Charta , as it Stood at the Time . Magna Charta has been Resigned at least 30 times over the years and still Stands . Magna Charta did not only Affect the Barons involved , it also specifically passes every concession within to the Peoples domiciled within any Barons' Land Estate .

My Avatar is a Colorized version of the Seal of the First Continental Congress . It Declares by Heraldry the intention and Purpose of that Congress . Note Magna Charta , overlaying a book suggested as the Bible and underlying the Column of Liberty topped by the Red Phrygian Cap of Liberty , supported by Thirteen Dexter Arms representing the Original 13 Plantation Estates . These Arms proceed from Clouds of Glory , representing the Presence of Divinity / GOD . Hands of Providence for Liberty .


Here is how human collective evolution works, with four levels:

Individual Force - might is right, absolute slavery, the lowest consciousness collective human form
Collective Force - group rule in a negative way, conditional slavery
Collective Reflectivity - group rule in a positive way, subtle hidden slavery
Individual Reflectivity - self empowered adults ruling themselves with little to need for collective rules, the highest consciousness collective human form

So we are clearly in the second last form right now, you would agree?

Collective Reflectivity ? The Use of Slavery provides a very narrow Definition . Servitude is somehat broader with divisions into Voluntary , Indentured and Involuntary .

Voluntary = Of Free Will / Choice

Indentured = By Contract for a Term of Years or other Consideration .

Involuntary = Against Free Will / Choice

Slavery by American Definition is : http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/slavery

SLA'VERY, noun [See Slave.]
1. Bondage; the state of entire subjection of one person to the will of another. slavery is the obligation to labor for the benefit of the master, without the contract of consent of the servant. slavery may proceed from crimes, from captivity or from debt. slavery is also voluntary or involuntary; voluntary, when a person sells or yields his own person to the absolute command of another; involuntary, when he is placed under the absolute power of another without his own consent. slavery no longer exists in Great Britain, not in the northern states of America.

2. The offices of a slave; drudgery.


Where society is mostly good but also corrupted by a few darkhats trying to destroy what we have built? Don't we need to rise above the subtle hidden slavery of doublespeak legality and move into the Individual Reflectivity of Christed beings operating in harmony with Divine Law and thus being beyond the need for human statute rules to farm us for taxes to pay for bullshit and war perpetuated by assholes?

Lot of intertwined questions there . Don't know how to address just now . As far as Double Speak Legality goes , I speak AS Myself not FOR Myself . I do not Re-Present , I Present and set the Terms of Language Authority in Court Actions . Judges don't like it but don't generally go against Their Own Local Rules of Evidence . Prosecutors can't stand being held to Language Authorities that can not be manipulated by the latest Edition of Black's . I prefer Ballentine's for Legal definitions , when appropriate . Webster's 1828 for all other Matters Administrative .

How else do We the People take back control of our obviously usurped CORP GOVTS?

By Enforcing the Trust as only the Beneficiary can . A possibly rigorous undertaking .

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RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
I pass through BORDER Patrol Check Points all the time!
I Live on the Texas Mexico Border.
They look at me and ask SHOCKING Questions!

Agent: Hey You MeriKan?
Me: Da, tovarishch.
Agent: Conspicuous look, then "Get The F#ck out of here, Next!"
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Agent: Where you going? Whats in the trunk?
Me: To Austin, 3 Chinese Girls!
Agent: Really, Seriously? Awh Yah, "Get the F#ck Out of Here, Next!"

Never a Dull Moment down here on the Texas Border!
But I have never been ask once to produce ID!
Not at any TIME! It is fairly Fooking Obvious who the MeriKans Are!
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Quote: Where society is mostly good but also corrupted by a few darkhats trying to destroy what we have built? Don't we need to rise above the subtle hidden slavery of doublespeak legality and move into the Individual Reflectivity of Christed beings operating in harmony with Divine Law and thus being beyond the need for human statute rules to farm us for taxes to pay for bullshit and war perpetuated by assholes?

Slept on these questions and assertions . Still a little muffled in My comprehension . Reflectivity just doesn't compute .

Christed Beings : This is again a Personal Choice of which Road to Follow . The Blessings of Harmony will simply BE if One is seeking Harmony . That is the only reason I have for 14 years of daily road travel , in City and cross Counties , and eventually from California to Missouri by Automobile and Pickup without any Vehicle Plates of any kind , " Drivers " Licence or Insurance or ANY other " Required " papers . Never stopped by Police . Visited once and They left . The Hand of Providence is all I can say .

* * * beyond the need for human statute rules * * * : Sadly , some humans need Rules .

* * * to farm us for taxes to pay for bullshit and war * * * : My sentiments exactly . Yet I've found the human rules helpful to reign in unruly Government Actors . Bun and I haven't needed to do that for Ourselves for a lot of years now . Blessings of Liberty remain .

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So how insane would I appear if I tried to claim being part of the original US Constitution when I am from Canada?

See I think you have some real answers but if you only apply those answers through US documents then how can you help the rest of the world who has the same problem of BAR controlled CORP GOVT assuming legal jurisdiction?

Heir  Wrote: (06-20-2017 05:27 PM)
Reflectivity just doesn't compute .

* * * beyond the need for human statute rules * * * : Sadly , some humans need Rules .

You are right, some people do need rules because their consciousness is not evolved enough to act compassionately all the time. But for those of us who are acting compassionately all the time, why should we be treated like those who aren't? Isn't this the beat down type of passive slavery/non consenting servitude that directly empowers the darkhats to farm us for taxes to fund more war and bullshit?

What reflectivity refers to is meritocracy. When you reach the level of Christ Love, you become an empath and a psychic. You can feel other people's feelings and know their thoughts. With these abilities it is easy to always respond appropriately to people regardless of their level of consciousness because Christ love is the mirror that sends back to them what they need to learn, because we always teach what we most need to learn, right?

You have learned how to tame the beast for yourself, yet you can't effectively share it with other people yet to help them do the same, right? So here you are teaching to learn, just like I am doing, right?

You don't get to be an empath without being in harmony with yourself, so people who have evolved beyond force and into true power (as in Power Vs Force by Dr David R Hawkins) don't deserve to be assumed as criminals, do they?

We need to make it easy for many people to tame the beast so they can join us as being part of a new global group of people who understand that people are above corporations and not the other way around.

And if the science/technology wasn't being withheld, which would absolutely prove who is low/mid/high consciousness, it would be very obvious that people like me are working towards the solution of decoding the system of law so that any grade 3 student can understand and apply the basics, because that is how simple the basics are when not obfuscated by overly verbose fraudulent doublespeak legalese.

You say you are civilly dead, when were you ever really civilly alive? If you never actually signed a two party signed contract or swore an explicit public oath, how did your civil PERSON ever have life when such a concept is only an assumption because you can't prove it was ever more than that?

And if GOVT is in breach of trust for assuming us to be criminals/slaves/chattel while failing to educate us about how Law really works, then why should we honour any of their assumptions when they are the ones who have enriched themselves at our expense and not the other way around?

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gmorning RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-21-2017 08:20 PM)
So how insane would I appear if I tried to claim being part of the original US Constitution when I am from Canada?

I hope You wouldn't ! The Basis is drawn from English Common Law and most can be adapted to any so-called " Common Wealth " Nation .

What sets the US Constitution apart is King George's Capitulation . The Victors of the War for Independence took every Right and Prerogative in English Law for it's Own . Spoils of War were the Property of the King on Down . Corporeal and Incorporeal .

These went from the Rights common to every lowest Social Strata English Free Man . Right to Inherit , Right to Travel the Public Roads , Right to Sell or Trade Labor , Right to Contract , Pursue a Trade of Common Right , Right to Bear Arms and Self Defense , among them .

From there , each level of Society has those Rights and maybe a few more Rights not enjoyed at the level below . A Yeoman has a little more leeway I can not recall just now . At some point the Right to Hold Land Estates comes in . Baronage as I recall . Dukes and Earls and such have more rights and responsibilities regarding Their Estates . Somewhere else the Right to a Trial by Jury of Peers comes in . All based on the historic stratification of English Classist Society .

At the top of the list were the Monarchs' Exclusive Royal Prerogatives . The Sovereign Status and Estate It self ! The Font of all Law . Governance . How does a New Body Politic , comprising a Claim of Republic , Equitably divide the un-divide-able ? Quite the challenge .

We've had Patrons in Canada that were amazed at the Concept . Look up some YouTube on " Public Trustee " , particularly " Appointing Judge Trustee " . Some pretty hilarious stuff there . I've got to say it takes Moxie to walk into Your Case and the first thing asked is " Who is the Public Trustee ? " . Things get interesting quickly .


See I think you have some real answers but if you only apply those answers through US documents then how can you help the rest of the world who has the same problem of BAR controlled CORP GOVT assuming legal jurisdiction?

We've had Scot and Irish Patron's as well that found the Legacy Papers and Videos helpful in resolving disputes with Crown Authorities . The Scottish Gentlemen were trying to locate exactly How Crown Claims on Scottish Estates were Established and just where the Title Deeds and Legal Transfer paperwork was held for copy and Review . They wanted the Paper Trail .

The Irish Gentleman used what was learned to take the wind out of some questionable Rental Raising activities at a Housing Estate . Flats were being priced out of local market and People were facing displacement . The affair was already at the point that Garda Síochána were present .

I was lead to understand Violence was avoided when Crown Authorities were presented with certain Questions regarding positions of Trust and proper Protocols . Notice and Grace stuff that was not forthcoming in the early stages of Rent Increases . Also that it seemed negotiations were under way and animosities had waned .

Gotta go for a while . Be Well .

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RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (04-17-2017 05:18 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 05:06 PM)
Because there is no such thing a legal citizen, only the illusion of one. How can any of you prove you are a legal citizen? You don't have a UCC valid two party signed contract forming a bond, you didn't swear an explicit public oath to form a bond, and on top of not having a bond with the government to prove you are a legal citizen, you don't even speak legalese because you have never read Black's Law Dictionary. If I claimed to you that I am spanish and yet could not speak one word of spanish to prove my claim, obviously you wouldn't believe such a claim, so why should anyone believe you that you are a legal citizen if you don't speak the language and don't have a bond proving your claim?

That's an easy one to answer, Jim. The existence of a "citizen", legal or otherwise, is not contingent on your rather outrè definitions of the Uniform Commercial Code or your misreading of Black's or anything else; it is based on what the courts say based on their power as outlined in the Constitution and other things like Marbury v Madison (1803).

I can prove I am a citizen by virtue of my birth certificate and United States Passport, which is what everyone with a lick of sense accepts. Your opinions on such, like the beliefs of some of the more arcane views of things like all-caps titles or yellow fringes on the American Flag, simply don't count.

Sorry.

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RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (04-17-2017 05:18 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-17-2017 05:06 PM)
Because there is no such thing a legal citizen, only the illusion of one. How can any of you prove you are a legal citizen? You don't have a UCC valid two party signed contract forming a bond, you didn't swear an explicit public oath to form a bond, and on top of not having a bond with the government to prove you are a legal citizen, you don't even speak legalese because you have never read Black's Law Dictionary. If I claimed to you that I am spanish and yet could not speak one word of spanish to prove my claim, obviously you wouldn't believe such a claim, so why should anyone believe you that you are a legal citizen if you don't speak the language and don't have a bond proving your claim?

That's an easy one to answer, Jim. The existence of a "citizen", legal or otherwise, is not contingent on your rather outrè definitions of the Uniform Commercial Code or your misreading of Black's or anything else; it is based on what the courts say based on their power as outlined in the Constitution and other things like Marbury v Madison (1803).

I can prove I am a citizen by virtue of my birth certificate and United States Passport, which is what everyone with a lick of sense accepts. Your opinions on such, like the beliefs of some of the more arcane views of things like all-caps titles or yellow fringes on the American Flag, simply don't count.

Sorry.

well you can lie in your ignorance beloved old man.... so you can look at the real. To most it won't seem to matter though.. but this country is still under the Queen of England.

Nature is returning to equilibrium, the only thing being destroyed was never real to begin with - an artifice that has inevitably lost its hold on the hearts and minds of men. Some wait for the end, others give birth to the new.


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gmorning RE: How can anyone here prove they are a legal citizen?
I had intended to continue addressing the subject Post , but find Myself at the end of a long day and headed for sleep . I do hope this exchange is helpful for readers working to understand the issues presented , regarding Personal expression of Being and Action of Community as Governance .

All The Best

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