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Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Natura Naturans
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 08:01 AM)
We need to increase our energy density, and our petroleum reserves are dropping in their EROEI ratios.

The only option we have is thorium reactors instead of uranium reactors, OR cold fusion or something like Rossi's ecats on an industrial scale.

Or tap the continual flow of electricity from our ionosphere to the core like Tesla did.

I believe in the Rossi Ecat, but he's taking a long time getting it to production! Wish he could speed it up and change the world's dependence on expensive forms of energy. The Ecat is essentially free energy once it is started since the energy produced by it is fed back in to run it.

http://www.e-catworld.com/

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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
I live in one of these green-tank power pushes and it's not good. Prices are very high on electricity as they experiment with wind and solar. Going to cripple this state for a decade or longer. Big mistake. Don't listen to moronic Leftists and don't let them vote in green politicians.

"Power prices are set to rise by 18 per cent for AGL customers in South Australia, according to the State Government, with similar increases expected in New South Wales and the ACT."

"I think there will be a lot of people that are going to be shocked that the price increase is to be so substantial," he said.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-09/18...rs/8604840
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Renewable energy only makes sense when installed locally, at the source requiring it. With the price of lithium batteries coming down, it becomes even more feasible to install your own solar system. And you can get cheaper electric rates if you allow your grid power to be switched off during peak demand too. It would be no inconvenience to you because you'd have reserve battery capacity. You could even make money selling your solar and reserve battery power to the utility company. And with your own renewable energy system, you'd not be subjected to grid blackouts. And these new larger lithium batteries to replace AGM batteries, while expensive by AMP comparison, do have a LOT more cycles in them. Of course if one cell within one battery goes out, you're screwed a little. You can't just replace it with a new one. All batteries must be of the same age and in the original group and same usage or you'll screw them all up trying to recharge them. When one goes bad, you just have to remove it from the group and run with what's left until it's feasible to place them all. I just received the lithium batteries I ordered to replace my aging AGM batteries. I have a new charger to install too. I plan to do that this coming week. Capacity was added by the simple fact that I can deeper discharge a lithium. I ordered more amperage, 25% more (to cover any potential lost cells in the future .. I have a minimum power requirement), but with the AGM batteries I could only 50% discharged them. To go deeper quickly reduces lifespan with an AGM. Even lithiums last longer if you only DOD to 50%, but they still last a LOT longer than an AGM.

If you can afford an off grid renewable power system, you can make it pay for itself within the lifespan of the system. And you can make money from it. But there are sime limitations. It would be unrealistic to think you can power a household central air conditioning system using solar. The system would probably cost half as much as your house. And you would need to become conservative about your electric usage (you wouldnt want to use the microwave oven except in a pinch, and only briefly). And you would want a newer fridge/freezer capable of sub-zero temps. To reduce power usage, I have these sub-zero ice cube thingies I keep the freezer partially filled with. I could shut the thing off for 12 hours in 85°F room temp and the fridge will never rise above 40 and the freeze never rise over 25°F after 12 hours. That's pretty good. I also have a propane fridge but it's left off except in the summer.
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
The Daily Telegraph is an Australian daily tabloid newspaper[2] published in Sydney, New South Wales by Nationwide News, a subdivision of News Corp.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dail...Australia)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_Corp

ALL YOUR BASES BELONG TO RUPERT MURDOCH.
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Here is a good example of the effects of peak oil;

[Image: Saudi-Arabia-Foreign-Reserves-vs-Oil-Pri...png?x65756]

https://srsroccoreport.com/petrodollar-s...-reserves/

That's the Saudi's foreign exchange reserves, which in the past were recycled back into US dollars and US financial assets like treasury bonds.

But as the profitability of oil drops, more production needs to be financed or subsidized, the Saudis are currently subsidizing their operation with selling their foreign exchange reserves.

It's delusional thinking that structured social systems are somehow inherently better or more moral or wiser than individuals acting of their own accord and free will.
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As Saudi Arabia continues to liquidate more of its foreign exchange reserves, it means serious trouble for the PetroDollar system. Again… without “SURPLUS” funds, the Saudi’s can’t purchase U.S. Treasuries. Actually, for the past three years, Saudi Arabia has been selling a lot of its U.S. Treasuries (foreign exchange reserves) to supplement the shortfall in oil revenues.

If the oil price continues to trend lower, and I believe it will, Saudi Arabia and the PetroDollar system will be in more trouble.


https://srsroccoreport.com/petrodollar-s...-reserves/
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:20 AM)
link to image: https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress...._index.png

Almost triple the rate for business electricity in just 5 years because of wind power!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/17/d...le-energy/

From Australia:

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Awareness is slowly permeating through the media that renewables inevitably lead to higher electricity prices – and that the Australian energy grid is in deep trouble. But this awareness is too little, too late, to save what is left of what was once one of the cheapest electricity grids in the world.

Climate change zealots need to get real

Peta CredlinJune 18, 2017 12:00am

WELL, now we know.

The biggest deniers in the whole climate change debate are those who think we can have affordable power, lower emissions and a reliable network.

We can’t.

And after they almost sleepwalked their way to defeat at the last election, it would appear Coalition MPs have found their voices again on the issue that has defined Australian political debate over the past 15 years or more.

There’s no doubt that any policy that lowers Australia’s CO2 emissions will increase the cost of power and any move away from baseload capacity will make our network more unreliable.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezv...1497759389

They use humans as the energy source (solar energy in spirit) I mean that's the only power source in the matrix. They should just stop making and feeding satanic clones (locusts)...less of a problem then.
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Lol, hilariously wrong. PV is now the cheapest source of electricity and Australia has no excuse for not exploiting it fully.

Last year Chile set a strike price of $29 per MWh, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-than-wind that has been beaten now by Abu Dhabi with $24 per MWh http://www.thenational.ae/business/energ...from-solar less than half the price of coal generated power https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ce-of-coal

Its easy to see why when the wholesale price of polysilicon panels is as low as 30 cents / Watt https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Ind...l+poly+250 . Onshore wind is also cheaper than fossil fuels as will be offshore wind in the near future. http://www.norwea.no/nyhetsarkiv/visning...5&Action=1 and offshore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...wind-farm/

Whatever mistakes and wrongheaded policies have been pursued in the past, for projects starting today, renewable are the cheapest. For consumers to see the advantage does require governments to have sound policies for the capacity market, investment schedules and eventually, when economically viable, storage.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 11:37 AM)
Lol, hilariously wrong. PV is now the cheapest source of electricity and Australia has no excuse for not exploiting it fully.

Last year Chile set a strike price of $29 per MWh, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-than-wind that has been beaten now by Abu Dhabi with $24 per MWh http://www.thenational.ae/business/energ...from-solar less than half the price of coal generated power https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ce-of-coal

Its easy to see why when the wholesale price of polysilicon panels is as low as 30 cents / Watt https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Ind...l+poly+250 . Onshore wind is also cheaper than fossil fuels as will be offshore wind in the near future. http://www.norwea.no/nyhetsarkiv/visning...5&Action=1 and offshore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...wind-farm/

Whatever mistakes and wrongheaded policies have been pursued in the past, for projects starting today, renewable are the cheapest. For consumers to see the advantage does require governments to have sound policies for the capacity market, investment schedules and eventually, when economically viable, storage.

Why should we pay for energy, ponder upon it.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 11:39 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 11:37 AM)
Lol, hilariously wrong. PV is now the cheapest source of electricity and Australia has no excuse for not exploiting it fully.

Last year Chile set a strike price of $29 per MWh, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...-than-wind that has been beaten now by Abu Dhabi with $24 per MWh http://www.thenational.ae/business/energ...from-solar less than half the price of coal generated power https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...ce-of-coal

Its easy to see why when the wholesale price of polysilicon panels is as low as 30 cents / Watt https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?Ind...l+poly+250 . Onshore wind is also cheaper than fossil fuels as will be offshore wind in the near future. http://www.norwea.no/nyhetsarkiv/visning...5&Action=1 and offshore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016...wind-farm/

Whatever mistakes and wrongheaded policies have been pursued in the past, for projects starting today, renewable are the cheapest. For consumers to see the advantage does require governments to have sound policies for the capacity market, investment schedules and eventually, when economically viable, storage.

Why should we pay for energy, ponder upon it.

Well you don't pay for sunlight and wind but if you want to harness them you need to invest in capital goods to do that.
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A grabbed this screenshot about a week ago. The UK is just at the start of its conversion to sustainable power but have a look at this:

link to image: http://i.imgur.com/pWJSlIm.png

For a country that was built on coal to be generating less than 1% of its power at that time from coal is amazing. Taken together with gas it's less than 20% of the electricity coming from fossil fuels. Solar and wind are each generating more power than all the fossil fuels combined.
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:20 AM)
[Image: energy_action_price_index.png]

Almost triple the rate for business electricity in just 5 years because of wind power!

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/17/d...le-energy/

From Australia:

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Awareness is slowly permeating through the media that renewables inevitably lead to higher electricity prices – and that the Australian energy grid is in deep trouble. But this awareness is too little, too late, to save what is left of what was once one of the cheapest electricity grids in the world.

Climate change zealots need to get real

Peta CredlinJune 18, 2017 12:00am

WELL, now we know.

The biggest deniers in the whole climate change debate are those who think we can have affordable power, lower emissions and a reliable network.

We can’t.

And after they almost sleepwalked their way to defeat at the last election, it would appear Coalition MPs have found their voices again on the issue that has defined Australian political debate over the past 15 years or more.

There’s no doubt that any policy that lowers Australia’s CO2 emissions will increase the cost of power and any move away from baseload capacity will make our network more unreliable.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezv...1497759389

I was talking with a South Australian today and the conversation turned towards how South Australia had been utterly bankrupted by the renewable energy scam. Boy oh boy he was so angry.

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Well, this is why we call it FAKE NEWS to these Mass Media groups that work for the satanists.
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BIG OIL

Quote:Les pauvres n'ont-ils des Euros ?
Alors laissez les pauvres 'sh*t' dans les rues
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SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (06-18-2017 08:45 AM)
Here is a good example of the effects of peak oil;

[Image: Saudi-Arabia-Foreign-Reserves-vs-Oil-Pri...png?x65756]

https://srsroccoreport.com/petrodollar-s...-reserves/

That's the Saudi's foreign exchange reserves, which in the past were recycled back into US dollars and US financial assets like treasury bonds.

But as the profitability of oil drops, more production needs to be financed or subsidized, the Saudis are currently subsidizing their operation with selling their foreign exchange reserves.

Peak oil would cause the price to skyrocket. Instead the price is HALF what it was just a couple of year ago. Massive amounts of cheap oil are being produced in fracking in the US alone.

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