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Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
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Not if these greedy satanist get their hands on the tech...No.
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-19-2017 12:46 AM)
Alpha Omega  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:05 PM)
It's hard to prophecy, but it does seem like peak US oil production may have already been reached and it's downhill from here:

link to image: https://www.infillthinking.com/wp-conten...revolt.jpg

What we do know, is that the profitability of the oil industry is declining, which is not a good sign:

link to image: https://srsroccoreport.com/wp-content/up...Income.png

It's possible we've seen the peak for US oil already, even though official projections for the future point ever upwards. Future projections must always look good, or investors run away! Hard to say how much truth there is in a chart like this:

link to image: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/7789396...00x467.jpg

Even if the US manages to keep up the "tight oil" production in the future, it could still be problematic to depend on this oil. This oil is in itself too light to refine, so it must first be blended with extra heavy oil from Canada's tar sands.

This is problematic, since the oil production from tar sand is very expensive (and extremely polluting as well).

All I'm saying is, you can't look at the viability of shale oil in isolation, since it is the combination of shale oil + tar sand oil that gets sent to the refinery.

World Oil Production:

link to image: http://econbrowser.com/wp-content/upload...24x776.png

Does that look like a peak? Now that the UK is fracking and just about ever other country oil will flow like water.

http://econbrowser.com/archives/2015/11/...production

It continues, but it's being continually financed.

Lmao
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The title of this thread should change to "Transmission of renewable energies is futile".
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Yah if it works locally, saves you money and is safe, then go for it. Then tell other people how great it is, that's how real change happens.

But when you have to rely on top down approaches, that means no one really wants it, and it is going to require a large amount of energy and resources to force compliance.

That's who's really pushing all this, all the bureaucrats that imagine new branches, bureaus and divisions with larger offices, paychecks and pensions.

I mean all that worked for the past couple hundred years and humanity didn't fuss, much. Wars kept everyone in line when they got too uppity.
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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-18-2017 07:13 PM)
SkeptiSchism  Wrote: (06-18-2017 08:45 AM)
Here is a good example of the effects of peak oil;

[Image: Saudi-Arabia-Foreign-Reserves-vs-Oil-Pri...png?x65756]

https://srsroccoreport.com/petrodollar-s...-reserves/

That's the Saudi's foreign exchange reserves, which in the past were recycled back into US dollars and US financial assets like treasury bonds.

But as the profitability of oil drops, more production needs to be financed or subsidized, the Saudis are currently subsidizing their operation with selling their foreign exchange reserves.

Peak oil would cause the price to skyrocket. Instead the price is HALF what it was just a couple of year ago. Massive amounts of cheap oil are being produced in fracking in the US alone.

P2 and P3 reserves are massive. Every oil producing country deliberately understates them in a vain attempt to keep the price up.

Peak oil is hundreds of years away

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RE: Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
Happy Bear  Wrote: (06-19-2017 07:26 AM)
Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-18-2017 07:13 PM)
Peak oil would cause the price to skyrocket. Instead the price is HALF what it was just a couple of year ago. Massive amounts of cheap oil are being produced in fracking in the US alone.

P2 and P3 reserves are massive. Every oil producing country deliberately understates them in a vain attempt to keep the price up.

Peak oil is hundreds of years away

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Your concept of peak oil is flawed.

This is the correct concept of peak oil:

While the Mainstream media continues to put out hype that technology will bring on abundant energy supplies for the foreseeable future, the global oil and gas industry is actually cannibalizing itself just to stay alive. Increased finance costs, falling capital expenditures and the downgrade of oil reserves are the factors, like flesh-eating bacteria, that are decimating the once great oil and gas industry.

This is all due to the falling EROI – Energy Returned On Investment in oil and gas industry. Unfortunately, most of the public and energy analysts still don’t understand how the Falling EROI is gutting the entire system. They don’t see it because the world has become so complex, they are unable to connect-the-dots. However, if we look past all the over-specialized data and analysis, we can see how bad things are getting in the global oil and gas industry.


https://srsroccoreport.com/warning-the-g...tay-alive/
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This is peak oil, the cost to produce oil is balanced out with it's price in the future's market leaving no profit and requiring constant subsidy, aka financing.

As long as the fed keeps rates down low enough they can continue to issue junk bonds at rates they can afford, they'll keep rolling all the debt until they finally can't, because, yes they know they are going to be bailed out (Trump will nationalize the energy industry).

[Image: Debt-Wall-US-Energy-Companies-Amount-Of-...png?x65756]

https://srsroccoreport.com/the-great-u-s...very-ugly/

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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Now, that is pure b.S.
There are better technologies and major advancements in solar more than doubling efficiency.

There are small scale wind solutions which are very efficient at even low wind velocities.

The problem is they aren't scalable and line loss makes them less attractive to investors who want large production with distribution instead of local production.

Many more people could be taking advantage of these things now, but soon the advances will be available.
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That's $1.2 trillion the energy industry needs to pay on outstanding bonds in the next 5 years.

While the EROEI ratio of the entire industry drops, which requires exponentially increasing more credit/debt to operate.

This is the pit we're falling into.

Whenever a bank makes a loan, it simultaneously creates a matching deposit in the borrower’s bank account, thereby creating new money.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/publicati...eation.pdf
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Damrod  Wrote: (06-18-2017 09:17 PM)
CPL  Wrote: (06-18-2017 07:23 PM)
The highest EROIE to date is still oil and gas. Without battery technology that's useful, there really isn't much point in pretending any of the other developments offered are anything but money pits that offer the same payback as a retail corner store. As business ventures they are garbage. There are plenty of energy choices, but they are all meaningless without the ability to store it in a timely manner or run longer than a couple of hours. Without developments to leverage the energy properly (transport, home, office, etc), the ride stops when the gas runs out. It will probably require that type of drastic event to refocus efforts into energy storage to keep things running.


The wind and solar tards never talk about that one thing....

the batteries to store the energy so you can use it when it's dark or when the wind isn't blowing.

All batteries suck. They are expensive, their life expectancy is crap...

Wind and solar will always be a more or less "accessory energy source" or "novelty" until they come up with affordable, long life battery banks.

Solar isn't a 100% solution, but it is stupid not to use it. The peak usage hours are daylight hours, so the majority of reliance on unsustainable fuels is removed.

50 years ago very few things were open after 5pm. Most places closed weekends.
Now, 24 hour living uses vast amounts more energy. Despite increased efficiency there is a lot more power being used for more hours, but the peak usage is still during normal workday hours.
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Papa Frank  Wrote: (06-19-2017 02:20 AM)
The title of this thread should change to "Transmission of renewable energies is futile".

Jhikpghf

That is a more concise way of saying what I said previously.

Good work!
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Offshore Wind Farm Costs $150,000 Per Home Currently Powered
An offshore wind farm in Rhode Island went online Monday, but building it costed $150,000 for every household powered.

Three miles off the coast of Block Island, R.I., the wind farm is currently generating enough electricity to power 2,000 homes, but building the five turbines costed $300 million. That’s roughly $150,000 per household just to build the turbines, not to operate them.

To put this in some perspective, the U.S.’s newest nuclear reactor, Watts Bar Unit 2, cost $4.7 billion to build but powered 4.5 million homes. That’s only about $1,044 per household, according to The Daily Caller News Foundation’s calculations. This means powering a home with the Block Island wind farm is almost 144 times more expensive than powering a home with the newest U.S. nuclear reactor.

The extremely high cost of offshore wind doesn’t worry environmentalists and progressives however, because, as Salon.com says about the project, “it’s the precedent that counts.” The wind farm is eventually supposed to generate enough energy to power 17,000 homes.

Deepwater Wind’s five turbines began generating power in December.

Offshore wind power is expensive because installing and maintaining any kind of infrastructure underwater is extremely difficult. The salt water of the ocean is incredibly corrosive and makes operating such facilities difficult and expensive.

A larger offshore wind farm in New York will cost anywhere from $25,000 to $15,625 for every home it powers, according to calculations previously made by The DCNF.

Despite the extremely high cost, federal officials want to power 23 million homes with offshore wind by the year 2050. Offshore wind is so pricey that early investors, like Germany, plan to stop building new turbines to lower the costs of electricity. Electricity is so comparatively cheap in most parts of the U.S. that offshore wind isn’t generally necessary.

The average American’s electric bill has gone up 10 percent since former President Barak Obama took office in January 2009, due to government officials imposing regulations and taxpayer support for green energy projects.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/01/offsho...y-powered/

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Used to be affordable.

After the housing bubble, notsomuch, land and building probably cost over $1million.

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Jptdknpa...oh noz...cant call you a shill cvnt anymore...Jptdknpa

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Luvapottamus  Wrote: (06-19-2017 07:06 PM)
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If you call hydro power renewable energy then indeed it IS economic. Too bad states like California are ripping out very low cost hydro from streams and rivers and installing very high cost wind and solar.

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