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Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
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Daily Telegraph: There is No Such Thing as Affordable Renewable Energy
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Almost triple the rate for business electricity in just 5 years because of wind power!

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From Australia:

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Awareness is slowly permeating through the media that renewables inevitably lead to higher electricity prices – and that the Australian energy grid is in deep trouble. But this awareness is too little, too late, to save what is left of what was once one of the cheapest electricity grids in the world.

Climate change zealots need to get real

Peta CredlinJune 18, 2017 12:00am

WELL, now we know.

The biggest deniers in the whole climate change debate are those who think we can have affordable power, lower emissions and a reliable network.

We can’t.

And after they almost sleepwalked their way to defeat at the last election, it would appear Coalition MPs have found their voices again on the issue that has defined Australian political debate over the past 15 years or more.

There’s no doubt that any policy that lowers Australia’s CO2 emissions will increase the cost of power and any move away from baseload capacity will make our network more unreliable.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezv...1497759389

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Everybody wants to have their cake and eat it too.

And sooner or later everyone sits down to a banquet of consequences.
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German Electricity Price Projected To Quadruple By 2020, To Over 40 Cents Per Kilowatt-Hour!


[Image: 2020-Power-price-projection-NEAB.jpg]

By P Gosselin on 28. February 2017

Once ballyhooed as a cheap source of energy (“The sun doesn’t send an electric bill”), Germany’s attempted transition to wind and solar energy is rapidly heading towards a full-blown central planning folly of historic dimensions.

The German electricity consumer advocacy group NAEB projects that Germany’s electric power rates will continue to soar, possibly reaching an industry back-breaking 45 euro cents per kilowatt-hour by 2020, and even higher over the years that follow.
- See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2017/02/28/germa...PuuL1.dpuf

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I think we hit peak oil just a while back, that is the idea that a rise in the future's price of oil does not or cannot provide for a higher profit margin to produce oil.

Then, since there is no profit, the drilling must be financed. As there is no actual profit none of the debt can be serviced, and must be continually rolled.

From there it's a descent into the pit and the energy industry has to be nationalized and put on the dole.
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I am an anthropogenic climate change skeptic, and I have my questions about peak oil, but even setting those aside, there are some reasons we might want to reduce our use (in the US) of certain fossil fuels.


Coal -- the sulfur problem (still not solved technologically)

Oil -- we still don't produce enough to satisfy ALL of our domestic demand and so still have to import some oil.


Notice I said reduce and not cut out.

I think we need to reduce oil use -- coal may present unsolvable technological problems to solve in terms of environmental effects.


I think we should do much more with natural gas and biomass, for what it's worth.


For sure, I am against carbon caps, taxes and exchanges -- international and internal. However, there are other reasons we may want to reduce fossil fuel use -- where practical (economically feasible).


And, of course, if there is any truth to peak oil we may have to.



Queue the fossil fundamentalists in 1...2...3...
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Because the government is making too much tax money off the energy companies, why would they possibly want you to have cheaper power? THEY DON'T.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:31 AM)
I think we hit peak oil just a while back, that is the idea that a rise in the future's price of oil does not or cannot provide for a higher profit margin to produce oil.

Then, since there is no profit, the drilling must be financed. As there is no actual profit none of the debt can be serviced, and must be continually rolled.

From there it's a descent into the pit and the energy industry has to be nationalized and put on the dole.

There is NO peak oil, Supply is coming from everywhere, especially fracking, That's why gas is cheap now:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/...7543a94220

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:31 AM)
I think we hit peak oil just a while back, that is the idea that a rise in the future's price of oil does not or cannot provide for a higher profit margin to produce oil.

Then, since there is no profit, the drilling must be financed. As there is no actual profit none of the debt can be serviced, and must be continually rolled.

From there it's a descent into the pit and the energy industry has to be nationalized and put on the dole.

There are massive deposits everywhere that have largely been untapped... take the UK, everyone focuses on the North Sea oil fields, yet one of the largest ones is on land in Southern England, it lies under the greensands.. and you find these fields the world over.

These oil and gas deposits have been known to exist for the last 100 years, the one in Southern England was actually the UKs first commercial gas field, and could supply all of Londons needs, yet only ever powered the lights at a local railway stations (Heathfield)

While the oil deposits are easy to extract without resort to fracking, well, for at least the same amount as has been taken from the North Sea in the last 40 years.. once that had been extracted it would then mean moving onto fracking..

The only peak oil is in peoples minds.. or I should say in the pockets of the big business and big government who want to control supply and keep prices as high as possible.
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Shocker: Government mandated trillions in global renewable investment tally


But — wind and solar provide only 1% of 2015 world energy


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/17/s...ent-tally/

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Bjørn “Skeptical Environmentalist” Lomborg has been doing the math on global warming – and it’s worse than we thought.

Even if every nation in the world adheres to its climate change commitments by 2030 the only difference it will make to “global warming” by the end of this century will be to reduce the world’s temperatures by 0.048°C (0.086°F).

That’s 1/20th of a degree C.

Let’s put this into perspective.

Earlier this year, Climate Change Business Journal calculated that the annual cost of the global warming industry is $1.5 trillion.

If you want to know what that looks like in numerals it is:

$1,500,000,000,000

And if you want a better idea of how it looks conceptually, I highly recommend this infographic visualisation.

To put it another way, even if you’d spent $1 million a day every day since the birth of Jesus, you’d still be less than half the way to reaching $1.5 trillion.

Or, to put it still another way, $1.5 trillion is the same amount we spend annually buying stuff we want and need via online shopping.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...ng-0-048c/

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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:46 AM)
Because the government is making too much tax money off the energy companies, why would they possibly want you to have cheaper power? THEY DON'T.

For the same reason that any inventor who figures out how to get better MPG or generate cheap electricity gets shelved or squashed by .Gov
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:46 AM)
Because the government is making too much tax money off the energy companies, why would they possibly want you to have cheaper power? THEY DON'T.

For the same reason that any inventor who figures out how to get better MPG or generate cheap electricity gets shelved or squashed by .Gov

Thats only half the issue, an interesting book was published at the beginning of the 20th century that outlined how socialism and capitalism would not battle to the death to see which one came out on top as many predicted, but rather merge to form a society that was controlled by government and big business, a socialist capitalism which would leave the general public largely slaves of either one or the other..

So hand in glove they work to quash what could upset their nice merger..

The book is called "The Serville State".
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Natura Naturans  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:47 AM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-18-2017 06:31 AM)
I think we hit peak oil just a while back, that is the idea that a rise in the future's price of oil does not or cannot provide for a higher profit margin to produce oil.

Then, since there is no profit, the drilling must be financed. As there is no actual profit none of the debt can be serviced, and must be continually rolled.

From there it's a descent into the pit and the energy industry has to be nationalized and put on the dole.

There is NO peak oil, Supply is coming from everywhere, especially fracking, That's why gas is cheap now:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/...7543a94220

Re-read what I wrote, I wrote, "a rise in the future's price of oil does not or cannot provide for a higher profit margin to produce oil."

That is the essence of peak oil, it's more or less that oil's contribution to the economy via it's energy density is diminished, thus the pumping of oil must be financed, continually.

A drop in the price of oil causes the cost of production to drop but there are no profits and it increases the liquidation value of their debt. If oil prices rise, then the cost of production rises instantly, the benefit of a rise in the price of oil in the future's market does not translate to the oil companies producing the oil.

They must then finance all their drilling AND refining AND distribution. This becomes a drain on the overall economy, a sink, a pit, a hole from which we cannot escape.

Peak oil is really about the fact we tapped all the easy to find oil, and now only more difficult to extract deposits are left. You may say oh here's a huge shale deposit, but it takes a lot of energy to extract shale oil, in fact current fracking wells are producing less than 5 barrels of oil for every barrel extracted, refined and delivered to market.

Another way to say it is that when oil had a high energy density, the energy returned over energy invested ratio of crude oil, we should have re-invested more from those profits and put the money back into energy infrastructure, by continual maintenance.

Because as the EROEI ratios drop, you can't afford to replace the infrastructure necessary to drill, refine and deliver to market.
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But I'm not saying that peak oil mandates or should mandate alternative energies, just the opposite. Because alternative energies are derivatives of oil, they produce energy which our fossil fuel system evolved into certain types of technology.

As your graph shows, alternative energies have very very low energy densities and must be continually subsidized by not only fossil fuels but also debt and our taxes.
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We need to increase our energy density, and our petroleum reserves are dropping in their EROEI ratios.

The only option we have is thorium reactors instead of uranium reactors, OR cold fusion or something like Rossi's ecats on an industrial scale.

Or tap the continual flow of electricity from our ionosphere to the core like Tesla did.
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