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the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
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Post: #31
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:45 PM)
Come on now, he built a fence once and hasn't been to Home Depot in a while..

Have you ever put up a fence ?...when setting your support post, you POUR concrete in the hole aroung them to "SET" them...or do YOU just tamp the dirt around yours and your fence falls over in rain/wind

Dig hole, place concrete footings, hammer piling, build wall..
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Post: #32
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:49 PM)
Have you ever put up a fence ?...when setting your support post, you POUR concrete in the hole aroung them to "SET" them...or do YOU just tamp the dirt around yours and your fence falls over in rain/wind

Dig hole, place concrete footings, hammer piling, build wall, watch wall get BULLDOZED TO HELL..

FIFY
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Post: #33
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:56 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:49 PM)
Have you ever put up a fence ?...when setting your support post, you POUR concrete in the hole aroung them to "SET" them...or do YOU just tamp the dirt around yours and your fence falls over in rain/wind

Dig hole, place concrete footings, hammer piling, build wall..

You need to learn some basic engineering about how things are really built .
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Post: #34
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:00 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:56 PM)
Dig hole, place concrete footings, hammer piling, build wall..

You need to learn some basic engineering about how things are really built .

You don't specifically need liquid concrete to build a wall.

Ever heard of pilings?

Bedrock + pilings = a wall that not even Fred Flinstone could bulldoze..
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Post: #35
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:48 PM)
One Ohio class Submarine costs $4 billion. No one bats an eye. Security, you get what you pay for. Or settle for less and risk your life because you didn't want to invest in security though you had the money. People have a hard time distinguishing spending from investing.
interesting....


who is going to man the wall?

https://youtu.be/M2UFsGaDW2o

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-153940.html

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something changed and now my life has multiple "butterfly" effects going on where i can recall a world of the past that no longer exists.
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Post: #36
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:02 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:00 PM)
You need to learn some basic engineering about how things are really built .

You don't specifically need liquid concrete to build a wall.

Ever heard of pilings?

Bedrock + pilings = a wall that not even Fred Flinstone could bulldoze..

Yep, I heard of them, even used them when the job needed them.

They WILL NOT work when your 'wall' exceeds 8 feet in height because of the wind loading....Now, if we were constructing a building with 4+ walls we may could use "pilings" in some places...But that's NOT what we're constructing here are we ?
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Post: #37
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
GREEN HALO 777  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:08 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:48 PM)
One Ohio class Submarine costs $4 billion. No one bats an eye. Security, you get what you pay for. Or settle for less and risk your life because you didn't want to invest in security though you had the money. People have a hard time distinguishing spending from investing.
interesting....


who is going to man the wall?

trump dumplings
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Post: #38
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 02:39 PM)
Currently:

No agreed upon design
No route
No soil analysis
No contractor(s)
No Right of Way/Easement purchased or in negotiations

No real plan that I can find


Folks seem to think, "give trump 5 billion and he'll build the wall"

No he won't, even if we give him 5 billion, it'll be at least 3 yrs before they start construction.

And 5 billion is a mere raindrop in the bucket to what the final construction cost will be

Just look at what the F-35 fighter just has cost(so far) and it's still not a "daily driver"

Bravo. Finally, somebody says it. I think the same thing. It's not as if there aren't sections of wall/fence already. People act like there is nothing there. But, for pete's sake, what's up with the big stakes in the ground you can just step through? Granted, illegals won't be able to just drive through there, but heck, if they had vehicles why would they be climbing over fences? Just all of that is just irreconcilable nincompoopery.

But, yeah, show us the plans, with a few charts and graphs showing how the money would be spent. How was the figure arrived at. Now, I do believe most people would be able to do the job with $5 billion. The government and their contractors, not so much.
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Post: #39
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
You build a train track parallel to the planned wall construction.
Link that track to the existing rail superhighway.
All the equipment and raw materials can now be brought to within 100m. of the job site for less than a penny on the dollar compared to what trucking costs.

That's how projects like this get done.

That's how huge amounts of raw materials get to new factories.

Do we actually need a wall? No.


If was about cost effectiveness, there would be landmines and warning signs every 25 meters in ten different languages.

But America needs cheap, undocumented labor.

Because Americans don't want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce or an onion.
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Post: #40
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:08 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:02 PM)
You don't specifically need liquid concrete to build a wall.

Ever heard of pilings?

Bedrock + pilings = a wall that not even Fred Flinstone could bulldoze..

Yep, I heard of them, even used them when the job needed them.

They WILL NOT work when your 'wall' exceeds 8 feet in height because of the wind loading....Now, if we were constructing a building with 4+ walls we may could use "pilings" in some places...But that's NOT what we're constructing here are we ?

You do realize you can engineer a barred wall or something with less wind resistance, right?

You also realize that if you use steel pilings driven into bedrock a goddamn hurricane wouldn't touch it, yes?
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12-23-2018 11:14 PM

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Post: #41
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:38 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:34 PM)
The cost would be at least TRIPLE the estimates.

IF concrete is needed for footings (a wall base) in remote locations
how do they get it there? Concrete Delivery Trucks don't usually
drive 150 miles each direction to deliver 10 yards.
It would be
insanely expensive.

So they would need MULTIPLE Concrete Batch plants to be built CLOSE
to the construction areas. And then there is the aggregate/sand mix
needed to make the Concrete.

They would have to stockpile a MILLION YARDS of sand and gravel
and then move it to the MULTIPLE Concrete Batch plants.

What is the estimate ? I can't find it anywhere...do you happen to have a source ?

Photos and the price under the photos looks like it's for 30 ft?(huh?)

Tall Orders: Otay Mesa Border Wall Prototypes Being Tested Soon for Climbing, Tunneling, ‘Breaching’

"The 30-foot prototypes at the border will be evaluated on how people might climb them or tunnel underneath. Other “breaching” methods will be done on mockups at undisclosed locations.

"Companies that built the prototypes (four of them concrete, the rest undiclosed materials) are:"

Caddell Construction Co. of Montgomery, Alabama.
Fisher Sand & Gravel Co., DBA Fisher Industries, of Tempe, Arizona.
Texas Sterling Construction Co. of Houston.
W.G. Yates & Sons Construction Co. of Philadelphia, Mississippi
KWR Construction Inc. of Sierra Vista, Arizona.
And ELTA North America Inc. of Annapolis Junction, Maryland

photos and price,Elta is an Israeli company.

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/201...breaching/

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12-23-2018 11:14 PM

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Post: #42
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:11 PM)
You build a train track parallel to the planned wall construction.
Link that track to the existing rail superhighway.
All the equipment and raw materials can now be brought to within 100m. of the job site for less than a penny on the dollar compared to what trucking costs.

That's how projects like this get done.

That's how huge amounts of raw materials get to new factories.

Do we actually need a wall? No.


If was about cost effectiveness, there would be landmines and warning signs every 25 meters in ten different languages.

But America needs cheap, undocumented labor.

Because Americans don't want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce or an onion.

300 million people paying 16.67 each raises 5 billion for the wall



which would cost way more imho

https://youtu.be/M2UFsGaDW2o

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-153940.html

Long ago in the age of information, I ascended for 24 hours into a time warp lasting 1000 years in peace.

something changed and now my life has multiple "butterfly" effects going on where i can recall a world of the past that no longer exists.
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12-23-2018 11:16 PM

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Post: #43
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:08 PM)
Yep, I heard of them, even used them when the job needed them.

They WILL NOT work when your 'wall' exceeds 8 feet in height because of the wind loading....Now, if we were constructing a building with 4+ walls we may could use "pilings" in some places...But that's NOT what we're constructing here are we ?

You do realize you can engineer a barred wall or something with less wind resistance, right?

You also realize that if you use steel pilings driven into bedrock a goddamn hurricane wouldn't touch it, yes?

Doesn't exist, trust me on this one.




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12-23-2018 11:20 PM

 




Post: #44
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:45 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:38 PM)
Because you've never hear of precast?

LOL, you CAN'T "pre-cast" a foundation ....You do want this wall to remain upright in heavy rain and wind right ?

good grief.

these are the small ones, they scale.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/EZ-Tube-4-Se.../300649622

http://www.diversifiedprecast.com/index....rete_piers
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12-23-2018 11:22 PM

 




Post: #45
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:38 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:34 PM)
The cost would be at least TRIPLE the estimates.

IF concrete is needed for footings (a wall base) in remote locations
how do they get it there? Concrete Delivery Trucks don't usually
drive 150 miles each direction to deliver 10 yards.
It would be
insanely expensive.

So they would need MULTIPLE Concrete Batch plants to be built CLOSE
to the construction areas. And then there is the aggregate/sand mix
needed to make the Concrete.

They would have to stockpile a MILLION YARDS of sand and gravel
and then move it to the MULTIPLE Concrete Batch plants.

Because you've never hear of precast?

And let's put this completely to bed:

https://oversize.io/regulations/maximum-width-by-state

8 feet 6 inches is the basic legal width for USA roadways before you need a permit and then a pair of escort vehicles.

So let's use 10 feet as our width...

a mile contains 5280 feet, divided by 10 feet is 528 precast panels per mile

the "open" border is about 1900 miles...

that's 1,003,200 "panels" that's have to be trucked to the site.
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