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the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
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Post: #46
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:08 PM)
Yep, I heard of them, even used them when the job needed them.

They WILL NOT work when your 'wall' exceeds 8 feet in height because of the wind loading....Now, if we were constructing a building with 4+ walls we may could use "pilings" in some places...But that's NOT what we're constructing here are we ?

You do realize you can engineer a barred wall or something with less wind resistance, right?

You also realize that if you use steel pilings driven into bedrock a goddamn hurricane wouldn't touch it, yes?

Where are you soil depth to bedrock soundings ?

Where's your design ?

Where's your stamped engineered drawings ?
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12-23-2018 11:28 PM

 




Post: #47
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:11 PM)
You build a train track parallel to the planned wall construction.
Link that track to the existing rail superhighway.
All the equipment and raw materials can now be brought to within 100m. of the job site for less than a penny on the dollar compared to what trucking costs.

That's how projects like this get done.

That's how huge amounts of raw materials get to new factories.

Do we actually need a wall? No.


If was about cost effectiveness, there would be landmines and warning signs every 25 meters in ten different languages.

But America needs cheap, undocumented labor.

Because Americans don't want to pay $5 for a head of lettuce or an onion.

I like this because it kills two birds with the same stone. We need the high speed rail East to West. And to use it first in border construction is a win/win.
But, whether fence or wall or combo it still has to be manned by people with guns or landmines or something else it's just a waste of time.
And we need jobs for low skill people or those who just enjoy working outside with plants and have it pay decent and it wouldn't affect the price of food. We just need keep it local instead of shipping all over the place adding costs unnecessarily.

But, I completely agree that bottom line, Capitalism doesn't work without slavery or very low paid workers to make the big profits for the class system that is part and parcel the shtick they sell it with.
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12-23-2018 11:29 PM

 




Post: #48
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
sh*t your eyes real tight..
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12-23-2018 11:30 PM

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Post: #49
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:22 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:38 PM)
Because you've never hear of precast?

And let's put this completely to bed:

https://oversize.io/regulations/maximum-width-by-state

8 feet 6 inches is the basic legal width for USA roadways before you need a permit and then a pair of escort vehicles.

So let's use 10 feet as our width...

a mile contains 5280 feet, divided by 10 feet is 528 precast panels per mile

the "open" border is about 1900 miles...

that's 1,003,200 "panels" that's have to be trucked to the site.
so at that rate if 5 billion would cover it it is only

2.54 million a mile for the fence.


does not add up right

no way would that cover it for the full distance

https://youtu.be/M2UFsGaDW2o

http://lunaticoutpost.com/thread-153940.html

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12-23-2018 11:33 PM

 




Post: #50
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:22 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 10:38 PM)
Because you've never hear of precast?

And let's put this completely to bed:

https://oversize.io/regulations/maximum-width-by-state

8 feet 6 inches is the basic legal width for USA roadways before you need a permit and then a pair of escort vehicles.

So let's use 10 feet as our width...

a mile contains 5280 feet, divided by 10 feet is 528 precast panels per mile

the "open" border is about 1900 miles...

that's 1,003,200 "panels" that's have to be trucked to the site.

you mean trucked like these?

https://www.borderwallprototypes.org/gallery/

i don't see any forms...
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12-23-2018 11:34 PM

 




Post: #51
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:26 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
You do realize you can engineer a barred wall or something with less wind resistance, right?

You also realize that if you use steel pilings driven into bedrock a goddamn hurricane wouldn't touch it, yes?

Where are you soil depth to bedrock soundings ?

Where's your design ?

Where's your stamped engineered drawings ?

As Nancy once said "We will find out what's in it after we vote"..
It worked out so well so we should continue on her path of not knowing.
I want a wall that moves south crushing any debris present.
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12-23-2018 11:35 PM

 




Post: #52
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
Isabella  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-22-2018 04:38 PM)
What is the estimate ? I can't find it anywhere...do you happen to have a source ?

Photos and the price under the photos looks like it's for 30 ft?(huh?)

Tall Orders: Otay Mesa Border Wall Prototypes Being Tested Soon for Climbing, Tunneling, ‘Breaching’

"The 30-foot prototypes at the border will be evaluated on how people might climb them or tunnel underneath. Other “breaching” methods will be done on mockups at undisclosed locations.

"Companies that built the prototypes (four of them concrete, the rest undiclosed materials) are:"

Caddell Construction Co. of Montgomery, Alabama.
Fisher Sand & Gravel Co., DBA Fisher Industries, of Tempe, Arizona.
Texas Sterling Construction Co. of Houston.
W.G. Yates & Sons Construction Co. of Philadelphia, Mississippi
KWR Construction Inc. of Sierra Vista, Arizona.
And ELTA North America Inc. of Annapolis Junction, Maryland

photos and price,Elta is an Israeli company.

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/201...breaching/

I wonder what their "cost shown" was actually for...
$450,000 seems steep for a 30ft display/test section
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12-23-2018 11:40 PM

 




Post: #53
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:33 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:22 PM)
And let's put this completely to bed:

https://oversize.io/regulations/maximum-width-by-state

8 feet 6 inches is the basic legal width for USA roadways before you need a permit and then a pair of escort vehicles.

So let's use 10 feet as our width...

a mile contains 5280 feet, divided by 10 feet is 528 precast panels per mile

the "open" border is about 1900 miles...

that's 1,003,200 "panels" that's have to be trucked to the site.

you mean trucked like these?

https://www.borderwallprototypes.org/gallery/

i don't see any forms...

Was addressing the Precast comment....Please keep up with the conversation .
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12-23-2018 11:47 PM

 




Post: #54
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:40 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:33 PM)
you mean trucked like these?

https://www.borderwallprototypes.org/gallery/

i don't see any forms...

Was addressing the Precast comment....Please keep up with the conversation .

the point being, they are precast.
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12-23-2018 11:48 PM

 




Post: #55
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:40 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:33 PM)
you mean trucked like these?

https://www.borderwallprototypes.org/gallery/

i don't see any forms...

Was addressing the Precast comment....Please keep up with the conversation .

btw they show $458,103.00 for "prototype cost"

Hopefully that's cost per 1/2 mile and not just that 30 ft section

A wall consisting of 30 ft sections at $458,103.00 per section is $81 million per mile x 1900 miles...
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12-23-2018 11:49 PM

 




Post: #56
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:47 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:40 PM)
Was addressing the Precast comment....Please keep up with the conversation .

the point being, they are precast.

Nope, that brown one is painted steel....
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Isabella
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12-23-2018 11:51 PM

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Post: #57
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:35 PM)
Isabella  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
Photos and the price under the photos looks like it's for 30 ft?(huh?)

Tall Orders: Otay Mesa Border Wall Prototypes Being Tested Soon for Climbing, Tunneling, ‘Breaching’

"The 30-foot prototypes at the border will be evaluated on how people might climb them or tunnel underneath. Other “breaching” methods will be done on mockups at undisclosed locations.

"Companies that built the prototypes (four of them concrete, the rest undiclosed materials) are:"

Caddell Construction Co. of Montgomery, Alabama.
Fisher Sand & Gravel Co., DBA Fisher Industries, of Tempe, Arizona.
Texas Sterling Construction Co. of Houston.
W.G. Yates & Sons Construction Co. of Philadelphia, Mississippi
KWR Construction Inc. of Sierra Vista, Arizona.
And ELTA North America Inc. of Annapolis Junction, Maryland

photos and price,Elta is an Israeli company.

https://timesofsandiego.com/business/201...breaching/

I wonder what their "cost shown" was actually for...
$450,000 seems steep for a 30ft display/test section

Better link with photos
The prices were for the prototypes they were paid by the government,but it say next to some of the photos "contract"
???

"The models, which cost the government up to $500,000 each, stand between 18 and 30 feet (5.5 and 9.1 metres) high.

[Image: mexico-border-wall.jpg?w=1135&e=...5e9746bc79]

According to the brief, they must able to withstand at least an hour of punishment from a sledgehammer, pickaxe, torch, chisel or battery-operated tools. They should also resist the use of climbing aids such as grappling hooks, and they must be "aesthetically pleasing" when viewed from the US side (there are no aesthetic requirements for the Mexican side).

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-8-prototy...st-1644205

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Post: #58
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:49 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:47 PM)
the point being, they are precast.

Nope, that brown one is painted steel....

ahh silly town at last!

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12-23-2018 11:53 PM

 




Post: #59
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Not sure what we will be getting for a wall but this is what we currently have. We need to tear this one down first.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/5c259b8...09bbe6.png
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12-23-2018 11:55 PM

 




Post: #60
RE: the Wall: Can anyone show what'd we would be getting for our 5 billion ?
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:26 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (12-23-2018 11:14 PM)
You do realize you can engineer a barred wall or something with less wind resistance, right?

You also realize that if you use steel pilings driven into bedrock a goddamn hurricane wouldn't touch it, yes?

Where are you soil depth to bedrock soundings ?

Where's your design ?

Where's your stamped engineered drawings ?


Some moron tried to claim a wall over 8 feet would fall over due to wind.

They were wrong.

Next?
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